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02-01-2010 11:02 PM  8 years agoPost 21
Pistol Pete

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My PC has a bigger hard drive, "better" and faster processor, and more RAM and is WAY slower than my Mac doing the same basic functions.
come on now...lets not go there

For you windows users especially XP.

Open your task manager (right click on taskbar).

If you have more than 20 (avg) processes running without opening any other programs, your system is not properly administered. 25 if using an antivirus give or take.

Then click IMAGE NAME tab to organize alphabetically. Look how many "svchost.exe"you have running, these are the source hogs.

There are many processes that are enabled by default when the OS is installed and are not needed, especially if not running a server. Some examples would be: print spooler, windows autoupdates, messengers and yahoo autoupdater...to name a few.

Then click on USERS NAME tab to organize in groups. Look under whatever name you sign in as. (ie: owner for me )

You should only have explorer.exe running plus any antivirus associated with it and thats all...minimum is the keyword here.

Google "minimum required processes for windows XP" for further info and directions.

Many folks just install stuff without even reading the small print or go to websites that are not PC friendly. Especially with no antivirus or anti-spam.

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02-01-2010 11:25 PM  8 years agoPost 22
Ronald Thomas

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If you have more than 20 (avg) processes running without opening any other programs, your system is not properly administered. 25 if using an antivirus give or take
Sorry Pete but I shut the non-needed ones when I need max performance and it still is not as fast as the MAC

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02-01-2010 11:38 PM  8 years agoPost 23
Pistol Pete

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OK

Told you not to go there

Just shining some light for others.

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02-02-2010 12:01 AM  8 years agoPost 24
zaw

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Most of the people who have problem with XP and infected with all sort of spy-ware are are people who seeking porn, free stuff, mainly stupid screen savers or downloaded some software because a website told them to.

I clean up and train the customer how I use the computer they never have any problem again.

People on Mac's got nothing much to download, believe me they try too. I have seen Mac customer with .EXE files on desktop.

I used XP for years, with no active Anti Virus but I do scan occasionally never ever got infected. I even download software to "try before you buy".

Windows 7 is sweet OS. PC are a lot more useful than Mac IMO, a lot of software readily available and backward compatible all the way back to stuff written for DOS.

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02-02-2010 12:35 AM  8 years agoPost 25
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Well i'm not going to lie i do check out the porn sites from time to time(hay i'm a man and i like a good hard on from time to time) but since i had my computor cleaned out a reloaded i have not gone to one porn site but i still get some kinda virus. Theres not one man on here that has not been to a porn site thats on human nature but since i have had so many problems with my computor i have not been to a porn site. I think i know whats going on i think christen people are putting viruses on the porn sites but i promise i have not been to a porn site since i had my computor worked on last. I think i'm going to get a Apple and try it out. I have a friend that has a apple and he said he has not had one virus since he got it. I'm tired of having viruses every other day. I keep looseing my cad files every time i have it worked on. While where talking about cad does any one know how to scan a print in the cad and get the numders off the drawing? I have have Bobcad i know it will do it but i don't know how to do it? That guy Mike Sherman is a very good solidworks drawer,i wish he could help me .

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02-02-2010 12:38 AM  8 years agoPost 26
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zaw - I totally agree with you. Don't go on most porn sites (except redtube), don't click on unexpected popups & stuff, don't go searching for rubbish, don't go on governemnet run sites etc etc. Use common sence and you shouldn't need antivirus.
Windows7 is OK in so much as it works, but crikey, it gobbles up processing unnecesellary and doesn't support certain (for me) certain critical development systems. My kids love it but little do they know.

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02-02-2010 01:51 AM  8 years agoPost 27
smallplanes

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Yes those porn sites will give you a virus i can promise you that everytime i go on one i get a virus so from nowone i'm not going to them. I think i'm going to get and Apple computor when i get my taxes back. I want to try one out. I want to see how it works before Bill Gates stool there operating system and called it windows. Thanks for all the input guys it seams the Apple wins hands down.

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02-02-2010 03:53 PM  8 years agoPost 28
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i have a powerhouse laptop. came with vista x64. i hated it. i considered upgrading to 8gb ram but i was sick of vista so i got two new hard drives for it. a 64gb SSD and a 500gb for storage. i loaded windows 7 x64 on the SSD and bam...my pc runs flawless. super fast. no lag with explorer at all. with vista the explorer ran so slow it was pathetic. i would seriously go with windows 7 and save yourself a ton of money versus going with a mac. i work with computers for a job and i charge double for anything i have to do with macs. theyre a nice premium design but theyre a nightmare to repair and the parts cost a bloody fortune compared to standard pc parts.

also reguarding anti-virus...dont bother. all of them slow your pc down and they still let viruses through. main problem anymore isnt viruses but malware. viruses are detected via algorithms but malware are programs in themself and virtually slip by. 90% of the software fixes i do are related to removing malware. i have never bothered with antivirus programs. if i feel theres something wrong i visit a website called http://www.trend.com and use their free online scan. if your pc is inoperable then i pull the hard drive out and hook it to a running pc and use it to scan the bad hard drive.

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02-02-2010 05:39 PM  8 years agoPost 29
Pistol Pete

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i have not gone to one porn site but i still get some kinda virus
One word...penicillin.

IF you had "restore" enabled while supposedly having the virus removed. guess what, it never left. And the reason why knowing DOS comes in handy as many viruses are hidden files.

My "super obsolete" DELL Dimension 4600 (768RAM, 110G HD) still running XP after 5 plus years, in the uninsulated garage or my "woodshop" to make it sound fancier.

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02-02-2010 11:07 PM  8 years agoPost 30
maxxteezy

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macs are better...
I do believe that Macs are better, because I do multimedia. People say they are overpriced, but tell me what pc comes with an i7 processor, 4gigs ddr3, Solid alu frame, 27" Glass LED LCD, bluetooth multi-touch mouse, aluminum bluetooth keyboard, OSX 64bit, and pre-installed audio/video editing software included for $2200?. My 2 cents..

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02-02-2010 11:25 PM  8 years agoPost 31
Saint728

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You know the saying "once you go Mac you will never go back" lol. Well its true. I've been running a Mac for 3 years and no viruses. My hard drive died on me last year, but they replaced that for free. My next computer/laptop will be another Mac. You can buy your Mac in one Country and they will fix or replace it in another Country for free if you move, no questions asked.

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02-03-2010 12:10 AM  8 years agoPost 32
maxxteezy

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I've been using my same iMac G5 2.0ghz since 05'. Hardrive died, replaced for free, and I've clocked thousands of dollars worth of recording/production/video editing hours/dollars with it. I'm getting the new i7 iMac 27, the most beautiful machine on the market, and its the most powerful machine you can purchase stock. Get a pc, with the same specs, and I guarantee it wont touch the mac, in speed, ease of use and fluidity of work-flow. I've had pc and mac running together side by side, and the pc freezes up 8:1 over the mac. My music even sounds more quality mixed through the mac. PC's are trash for Multimedia, but if you want to waste your time shooting at goblins and goons...no better platform. A pc is like a Trex, cheap, easy to find, easy to work on, everyone has one and you have to fill it up with hop up parts and new versions just to get some sort of quality use out of it. But a mac on the other hand is like a Logo; nothing to upgrade, beautiful, marketed as a "Boutique" product, beautiful, a little more expensive in the beginning, but cheaper in the end since you don't have to hop it up and upgrade everything to make it work, the OSX is to Macs what Vbar is to Logos, and Just like Microsoft, Align is trying to copy the vbar, but it sucks, and pretty much everyone who has a trex will attempt to tell you that the trex is better because of this or that, but after they fly a logo, they get hooked. Macs win hands down.

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02-03-2010 12:29 AM  8 years agoPost 33
tom dubya

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Anybody ever heard of ESET NOD32 anti virus.I was told it was rated #1 as far as anti virus programs go.

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02-03-2010 12:45 AM  8 years agoPost 34
kookboy

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I'm both a PC/MAC guy. Work with both.

On a consumer level, the intel macs are great.

For reference, I bought a 20" Imac with 2.2 core2duo, 4 g's ram and the ati HD2600 pro vid card

I enjoy all the mac stuff via snowleopard and pc stuff via bootcamp into windows 7.

Can play all the games out there with no problems at 1600x1050 resolution. Call o' duty 4, mass effect 2, etc ...

Bought it used for $600 and put in a 1T drive, good ram and I can't kill it.

You can find that model on craigslist/ebay between 6-700 these days.

Unless you need the 24" display, the 20" is just good enough.

Also if you plays games or do graphic work, don't get the models with the crappy video cards (Nvidia's between 2006-09).

The ATI HD2600 Pro in the 20/24" Imac's work just darn good enough. On the PC side via bootcamp, they are in reality an ATI HD2600 XT underclocked.

It's not a dedicated gaming machine, but I can play the latest and greatest at good resolutions.

... But honey it was only $$$

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02-03-2010 02:52 AM  8 years agoPost 35
KevinR

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This debate can go on forever. Each has their pluses and minuses and to say one is hands down better than the other is far from the truth. Macs are good products, but there are also good Windows machines out there. Probably the biggest thing I dislike about Macs (well, Apple products in general) is the blind arrogance of some of their owners (no I'm not pointing at anyone here but referring to my real world encounters).

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02-03-2010 03:19 AM  8 years agoPost 36
702nitro

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I have a pc and i have notthing but trouble out of it and i'm thinking of getting and apple what do you think? Whats best?
I own a Unibody Macbookpro 17 and I love it, I also love PC just as equally or maybe just a little bit more, but there are always two sides to an argument.

The ultimate question is, what kind of user are you?
1) Basic User - If all your going to do is browse the internet, email, do facebook, IM, and so on Then the MAC will be able to fullfil your needs just as equally as a PC. But why spend the extra$$$$ on the MAC if thats all your going to do. If you have the extra MONEY$$$ then go for it you'll be happy with a mac.(Don't mind me, I have copies of Windows XP so it didn't cost me a bit running it virtualized)

I think the average computer user have been falsely brainwashed by all the Apple hype that past year or so, claiming "Mac just works", or "Macs can't get viruses" "Macs don't crash". In fact, in the past year i've had a mac, i've never had a MAC specific virus(don't know about Windows), no spyware, but i've had 2 or 3 OS crashes(nothing that Snow Leopard wasn't able to recover from). So Macs are no perfect. If a PC user just exercised good judgement, ran and kept the antivirus updated, patches, etc we wouldn't have as much problems.

2) Power and Advanced Users
- It's a Microsoft world. If this is for business you may find yourself needing a program thats OS specific, something to keep in mind and that may be an interesting selling point. You can dual boot Windows, or run it in a hypervised virtual environment, but that'll cost you a copy of Windows again.

-Also the learning curve is a bit unusual for a MAC. At first its easy to learn and catch on, but then the learning curves starts to get steep when you start digging into the OS a little bit. Okay this may be my fault as I grew up with Windows, but since MACs is based of BSD(Derived from Unix), even Linux users complain about Macs.
Macs just feel a little bit more locked down and have that proprietary feel.

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02-03-2010 03:23 AM  8 years agoPost 37
zaw

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For reference, I bought a 20" Imac with 2.2 core2duo, 4 g's ram and the ati HD2600 pro vid card
Can you upgrade that to latest HD 5800?

heh

It can go on forever, been going on forever and ever. They all have their uses.

I like PC's because I like to tweak around with stuff.

It if ain't broken tweak it!

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02-03-2010 06:11 AM  8 years agoPost 38
kookboy

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Can you upgrade that to latest HD 5800?
I can and will but that's for another forum.

My friend's an electrical engineer and loves mod'ing stuff that not 'supposed' to be modded like the Imac's.

Mine's a test subject because I've got a pair of logicboards (I hate their terminology) and an extra case.

All in all, Imac's are good for basic to average users.

It all comes down to what you want in the end. Every person has different wants and comforts.

Because I work with computers for a living, I've got a graveyard of hardware in a closet and have been playing with hw/sw/os's for two decades.

Apple tries very hard and 'almost' successfully makes modifying their products impossible but not quite.

Someone who has an engineering degree in electronics, works in the system board manuf. field and has time on their hands can work their magic. I just happen to know one.

With that said, the all-in-one solution for everyone does not exist and you can build a rock solid system for 1/2 the cost of an average desktop mac.

The intel mac's are as close as you can get for a dual PC/MAC OS system in a nice package.

... But honey it was only $$$

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02-03-2010 11:32 PM  8 years agoPost 39
smallplanes

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After reading most of the post i would say Apple wins hands down. I know what my next computor will be.

Thanks for all the in put guys you have been great


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02-04-2010 12:52 AM  8 years agoPost 40
zaw

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I'd like to see how you can upgrade the all in one. I doubt Apple will use standard mobile PCIe slot in there. Most likely chip is soldered right on the mainboard or connected with their own connector. Which sounds like a lot of work to do, I have replaced a mainboard on a iMac before that one definitely had onboard video processor. it was one of those with glass screen.

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