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02-02-2010 04:07 PM  8 years agoPost 121
Pablo-L

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Maybe, in my opinion it´s not a big deal does things. Thanks for answering me. I´m very happy with my 50SE
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Pablo.

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02-02-2010 05:58 PM  8 years agoPost 122
davehour

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Hello guys:

We can all keep writing our opinions and likings, and we can learn something great from each of them.

I'm one who prefer mCCPM, but honestly speaking, I'm excited about this new heli that might be the beginning of new good things to TT pilots.

Let not forget today's radios are comming with effective programming ways to setup eCCPM's helis easily, ending with practical non-interaction results.

The X50 looks promissing, and as I said before, might be the beginning of another evolution that can benefit all likings, having a new set of options to choose from, for mCCPM or eCCPM guys.

Let wait to see what will come, and let know TT what we think about. One important thing for sure we know: They are listening us.

David

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02-02-2010 06:09 PM  8 years agoPost 123
Pablo-L

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I agree with you davehour. I´m very excited too waiting news about these machine. And don´t forget the new mini titan, very beautiful too.
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02-02-2010 07:54 PM  8 years agoPost 124
leadlag

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I am not knocking the X50. Just trying very hard to make the point

Just saying Thunder Tiger missed the plot line.

X50 with M-CCPM is better than a Titan.
X50 with M-CCPM is better than X50 with E_CCPM

Dino. I am not trying to put you or TT efforts down. Would you agree that TT M-CCPM is a better control sytem than any E-CCPM system?

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02-02-2010 08:53 PM  8 years agoPost 125
toto

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I love my Titan SE, great machine, love cheap durable plastic frames and the easy mCCPM, but also I' very happy with this new choice, congratulations TT, the new X50 looks really good, and now we have more options

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02-02-2010 10:00 PM  8 years agoPost 126
JeffKollin

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I like that Dr. Martin Luther King had a dream! But there were others who did not agree, same here, do we all see where this is going. No matter of the past some people just can not except change for the future!!!

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02-03-2010 09:01 AM  8 years agoPost 127
DoctorAudio

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If the price is right I will be getting one.
I think TT doesn't do anything because the others guys have done it until they get it right.
I bet it will still be stable and just more agile!

Go TT!

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02-03-2010 06:07 PM  8 years agoPost 128
PAHelinut

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So any updates as to when the X50 might be released? Maybe this summer?

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02-03-2010 08:08 PM  8 years agoPost 129
Kiwi

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Anyone remember when chrysler with the K series began using Front wheel drive in their cars? lovers of American cars declined, years after we were convinced that this system was more efficient, we have to wait, use and see if we like, if you do not like keep your original raptor, I'm going to have the two vesion
I am happy to have another project soon, jejejejejeje

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02-03-2010 08:36 PM  8 years agoPost 130
puma1824

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Anyone remember wen chrysler with the K series began using Front wheel drive in their cars? lovers of American cars declined, years after we were convinced that this system was more efficient, we have to wait, use and see if we like, if you do not like keep your original raptor, I'm going to have the two vesion
I am happy to have another project soon, jejejejejeje

On that same token, many "car enthusiast" have their preference between FWD, RWD, & AWD when pushed to the limits. Each type of drive-train having their own pros and cons. TT has given us the consumer the choice! I've read people comparing Porsche to VW, blah blah blah...It's actually more like a car manufacturer producing the same car but offering different drive-trains. Take Porsche, for example, in particular the 911 (actually the 964 & 993, and later 9 series) were offered in RWD or AWD. You pick, you decide, you're choice! Either way you have an awesome driving Porsche.

What people seem to forget in this petty fight, is other manufactures lock you into one type of tech, while TT has now given everyone the choice of either.

I for one am happy to see more options.

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02-03-2010 11:37 PM  8 years agoPost 131
armadillo

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Great news
I want one as soon as its available

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02-04-2010 02:46 AM  8 years agoPost 132
Ts8103

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Wow, there seems to be alot of arguing about mccpm versus eccpm, screw links versus solid balls etc, instead of just being grateful that there is an new decent option. Not many companies give us the option of both mixes in a quality, durable maching which TT has just done. Also who knows if there is a mccpm version down the line as we just learned about this version. The mere fact that they came out with the X50 is proof that TT has been listening to us in the first place and since alot of us who are posting already have a raptor, this just allows us to keep a little product loyalty and have the best of both worlds. I can personally tell you that I love my Titan 50se and plan on keeping it but have already told my girlfriend that the X50 is a must for my birthday.
Tone

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02-04-2010 03:30 AM  8 years agoPost 133
Ghost Rider 414

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The X50 is a must for me too I love the way it looks and I love my titan and titan se too CAN'T WAIT!!
Also looking foward to the TT Redline 56 Ya! Baby!!

Jerry
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02-04-2010 04:25 AM  8 years agoPost 134
bricktop

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x-50
i'd have to agree with tarzan-eb!!! also being a very faithful mccpm raptor flier...thundertiger stood alone with what they had to offer but is now just jumping into traffic and going with the flow but, someone needs to make an alternate detour from that road and i really thought (hoped) that thundertiger would do so. i am a r-90 pilot and swore i would never go back to a 50 but when i heard that they had come out with a carbon fiber 50....i was excited for a few seconds until the rest of the sentence i was hearing ended with "but it's an eccpm heli". talk about lifting you up, turning you upside down, and then smashing your head right into the ground. i have no interest in a eccpm heli but this is great for the ccpm guys. i've owned t-rex helis (and don't get me wrong, they are nice helis) but the eccpm DOES NOT feel as locked in as a mccpm machine. hopefully tt is now working on a carbon 50 with the mccpm mixing and the same head as the rest of the fifties. heck....maybe t-rex will come out with a mccpm t-rex 700 now. i'll buy one of those!!!

standing behind tarzan_eb on this one 100%

also a question for dino; if a person only has to change a patent by 18% to make it his own....can you let tt know i'm now thinking of designing a mccpm machine to match their ccpm machine? tell them if they hurry they can beat me to it or buy my heli. whichever comes first.

I didn't say you did it...I said I was blaming you.

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02-04-2010 05:45 PM  8 years agoPost 135
JasonJ

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There seems to be the opinion that mCCPM was created because of it's attributes. I don't see it that way. It was created because at the time servos only had so much strength, and that the layout TT came up with at the time was the best way to utilize the available servo technology. Yes, mCCPM is interaction free and it is a great system, I just don't believe that was at the core of it's design when it came out. Instead, it's benefits were a happy coincidence.

Then eCCPM comes out, and everyone falls in love, but people start to see it's issues (interaction). Other people start to figure out how to get around the interaction (programming) and eCCPM starts to come in line with mCCPM as far as feel. Since the cons of eCCPM can be worked around, there isn't much of a reason to stay with mCCPM beyond it's just easier to set up an mCCPM machine.

If the new X50 had mCCPM, I would still want it, because I don't care how my swash is actuated. It doesn't though, and I see no reason to discount it because it has eCCPM. The main thing I like is the torque tube. Like someone else posted, living up north means screwing with belt tension with different temps. Not having to deal with that sounds pretty good to me.

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02-04-2010 05:59 PM  8 years agoPost 136
Uncle Joe

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Great touch Dino, as a hobby shop I get all kinds of questions of why TT doesn't have ccpm. The e325 has been wonderful and does have ccpm. Myself, I like thing simple. If the model is ccpm or not I set them up and fly. People waste to much time playing "My dog is bigger than your dog" than they do flying. I can't wait to see this new machine.

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02-04-2010 06:28 PM  8 years agoPost 137
trunkmunki

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This x50 is great: tt is finally updating their design after years of everyone bitching about them not updating their design.

Now if they would just change the new head, frame and mixing to match the old head, frame and mixing it might be a good product. And all the extensive flight evaluations that have been posted on here prove that the x50 is an inferior design.

TT won't have success until they go back to just selling the R30 v1.

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02-04-2010 09:03 PM  8 years agoPost 138
petmotel

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DeKalb, IL.

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ECCPM & FBL
I'm surprised there's not much mention of the direction technology seems to be leading us.

With the huge influx of new FBL products slated to hit the market this year, I think FBL will be the standard rather than the exception before long.

I, for one, am enthralled to have a peek at what I believe will be the new gold standard in the 50 market.

Current weight of this machine was mentioned at 6.8 lbs less fuel. With an all in one electronics package (such as Total G) and an FBL head I can see this coming in at around 6.5 lbs. With the power of the newest generation of engines, the power/weight ratio is going to be spectacular to put it mildly. GREAT JOB TT! (obviously IMHO & YMMV)

Jay

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02-04-2010 09:12 PM  8 years agoPost 139
leadlag

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Then eCCPM comes out, and everyone falls in love, but people start to see it's issues (interaction). Other people start to figure out how to get around the interaction (programming) and eCCPM starts to come in line with mCCPM as far as feel. Since the cons of eCCPM can be worked around, there isn't much of a reason to stay with mCCPM beyond it's just easier to set up an mCCPM machine.
No matter how much programming you have on your radio you will always have some interaction which is due to geometry,servos wearing at different rates,servos accelerating and decelerating at different rates. Its also true as the servos wear interaction gets worse. Latency in the radio system is also magnified with E-CCPM. All these factors add up.

Also consider that you are halving your control resolution with E-CCPM.

Think about the following.-

The servos have to electronically half the travel distance to accomodate full collective and cyclic movement. Unless your running 100% Swash AFR on all functions and 100% ATV on both cyclic and collective which would over dirve your servos and is physically impossible you will not achieve full resolution. You are only getting half at 100%ATV and 50% Swash AFR.

This means on a E-CCPM machine if you are running Futaba 1024 you are actually getting 512 resolution, If you are running PPM you would be down to the resolution of a early 1980's radio set.

On a M-CCPM if your ATV's are at their full travel you are getting full resolution.

Yes torque tube drive is nice,Carbon and all the other features the new X50 has are nice. But I am just trying to show you how important to the helis performance M-CCPM.

I hope TT do come out with a M-CCPM X50.

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02-04-2010 10:57 PM  8 years agoPost 140
AllThumbs

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But I am just trying to show you how important to the helis performance M-CCPM
Well on paper it might be correct, but in reality I don't believe it makes the slightest bit of difference.
IMO F3C competition flying puts the most demand on the helicopter geometry etc.(More so than 3D) You don't see any mCCPM heli's winning any comps there do you? And those pilots know there stuff. If it were an advantage, I'd assume that any of the top pilots would be demanding it.. and I don't hear that..
This is an old and somewhat redundant argument.. move on.. please..

X50 looks great.. I'm in.
And I'll take a X50E to upgrade the E550 anytime your ready TT..

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