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02-06-2010 03:45 AM  8 years agoPost 181
Don

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Just found this:
"Thunder Tiger all new Nitro Heli X50 CCPM will be released in March or early April."

here:
http://www.niko.com.my/

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02-06-2010 04:37 AM  8 years agoPost 182
Damper

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My two raptors are waiting for the adoption papers to go through for their baby brother X50. Good to hear a time for the release . Any confirmation on that time? Hate tell'em one thing and it is the other. Their rotors would just break!

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02-06-2010 06:44 AM  8 years agoPost 183
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Reply to Yug several pages earlier,
I was mainly moaning about the 4 common areas of failure/weakness. ie, use of M2 screws on head, tail grips without thrust bearings, the 6mm flybar and last but not least, the dreaded auto hub. However, the rest of it looks very good

If you want eCCPM, you have a choice of a conversion of which there are a couple, XeroG or another make I can't remember the name of.
1. I've NEVER had an M2 scrw fail on me - in flight or as a result of crash damage.

2. The tail grips use radial bearings, it is true but any radial ball bearing will take a huge amount of thrust. They are what you might call multi-purpose. The side thrust on the very light tail blades is never going to be a problem for the standard bearings.

3. 6mm flybar?? are you referring to the feathering shaft? because the flybar is 3mm. But, in any case please tell us what is wrong with a 6mm feathering shaft? Have you ever had one fail or bend in flight??

4. Auto-rotation hub. - Once again, in 5 years of flying I have NEVER had a problem with mine, but I do maintain my helis well. Maybe you are not lubricating enough??

So, in summary the "4 main areas of weakness" are just your opinion as far as I can see.

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02-06-2010 06:46 AM  8 years agoPost 184
archiebald

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Dino - Question About the Torque Tube.
As far as I can make out from the pics seen so far, the tail boom and belt drive is identical to the Raptor. (A good thing IMO)

Now, the X50 has an optional Torque Tube. Does this mean that the same optional parts will retro-fit into a Raptor??

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02-06-2010 07:58 AM  8 years agoPost 185
AllThumbs

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** Both main and tails rators feature dual radial bearings and a thrust bearing.

http://niko.com.my/webshaper/pcm/product/4855-K.asp

Tick that one off your list..

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02-06-2010 08:13 AM  8 years agoPost 186
Yug

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Am gonna try and qualify what I said.....

My bad, sorry, I didn't mean 6mm flybar but rather the spindle (of course). These things bend in the blink of an eye if you get over excited on the collective.

I was fortunate enough to find a metal CNC gear for the auto hub, which provided 100% reliability. ie, no lockups due to distortion or otherwise, plus I could run the belt a bit tighter, allowing the tail system to cope better with rapid changes in tail inputs/reversals.
Do a search and you'll find plenty of folk who have had a great deal of trouble with the auto hub. Experimenting with different belt tensions and lube methods but to no avail.

The tail grips. A few years ago when people started muscling up head speeds, there were increasing reports of tail grips departing for greener pastures. This happened to me 2 or 3 times and I was overjoyed when QuickUK came out with some CNC grips. Got a set and within a few flights, BANG. Consequently, I did some calculations on thrust loads and to my horror, found that the standard radial bearings were being overstressed by a factor of 4, yes FOUR. I spoke to Bud at QuickUK who promptly modified his grips to incorporate a thrust bearing. Never a problem since. It's a shame he never added the facility to tune the grips with bob weights but that's another story.

The M2 screws. I've had these fail on the swash a couple of times. Not much meat and just don't like them. Dunno, might of been unlucky and had a bad batch made of poor metal. Strange thing is that I also had them back out a few times. Gimmee M3 any day.

I love Raptors, otherwise I would have never written this stuff would I. Also, thank heavens there are so many options for after market upgrades except for the Canadian company producing the metal CNC gear who appears to cease to exist now

Vegetable rights and Peace

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02-06-2010 09:41 AM  8 years agoPost 187
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Now, the X50 has an optional Torque Tube. Does this mean that the same optional parts will retro-fit into a Raptor??
No it will not fit the raptor. Looking at the design of the X50, the Torque tube conversion would be one unit. The boom clamp and gear housing in one like the raptor 60/90 or the Velocity 50 so it would not fit the raptor 50.

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02-06-2010 11:24 AM  8 years agoPost 188
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Consequently, I did some calculations on thrust loads and to my horror, found that the standard radial bearings were being overstressed by a factor of 4, yes FOUR.
Typically it is called strain. The present bearing is an angular contact thrust/radial type bearing which has clearly increased the level of maximum stress before strain occurs. The safety factor is certainly acceptable-that extra distance after expected design loads, just before strain occurs. I am very impressed with the performance of these newest style tandem mounted(directionally) rubber sealed angular bearings.In the present state of affair Bud's bearing comments you quoted would appear self serving.Clearly the TR spindle size supporting these bearings is substantial when rated next to other brands. Never bent one in flight using the collective. If there were bending in flight then it would be a function of composition and not size.

Some upgrades will bind at high pitch angles and are a lacking copy of poorly thought out slightly modified stock geometry. Many upgrades do nothing but waste money.

The small screws on the stock 90 swashplate do fine and the blade loading is much higher compared to a 50. So much higher in fact that guys are running 90 spec flybarless heads with them. Granted 3mm is stronger than 2 but so is 10 In a 90 I think 3mm is the better way to go but this is not a 90 and the 90 guys are doing fine.The 3mm thread will take more torque before being strained during installation.(2mm can more easily be overtightened) Like I said before if you don't like the stock screws and hollow balls buy the alternate stud type internal wrenching balls from TT. I have some in my tool box-been there for 2 years since I have had no need to swap. I acquired them based upon rumor.

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02-06-2010 02:07 PM  8 years agoPost 189
Dino Spadaccini

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note the X50 is not is not going to be released in march or april, I saw someone saying 8 weeks from now no more like 12 weeks, we will be doing final test flights and any tweaks to the heli then its hits the market.

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02-06-2010 03:30 PM  8 years agoPost 190
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As a lover of the Raptor 90 canopy, I would buy this new X50 for the canopy looks alone. I believe one of these is in my future as I really want to try something different from my 600.

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02-06-2010 05:14 PM  8 years agoPost 191
BEAR

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Dino The X50 is not is not going to be released in march or april, I saw someone saying 8 weeks from now no more like 12 weeks
Is that a TT 12 weeks or Avant 12???

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02-06-2010 06:15 PM  8 years agoPost 192
Dino Spadaccini

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now i know your trying to be funny and it is but NO its a TT 12 weeks ish, avant 12 is an act of god

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02-06-2010 10:53 PM  8 years agoPost 193
BEAR

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now i know your trying to be funny and it is but NO its a TT 12 weeks ish, avant 12 is an act of god
Sorry could,nt help my self!!

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02-07-2010 10:45 AM  8 years agoPost 194
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note the X50 is not is not going to be released in march or april, I saw someone saying 8 weeks from now no more like 12 weeks, we will be doing final test flights and any tweaks to the heli then its hits the market.
including any crash test?
TT has a good reputation of survival rate during crashes thanks to its strong plastic frames, will X50 change this?

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02-07-2010 07:32 PM  8 years agoPost 195
OLROY

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Dino
would you say a guess price for this X50 kit would be about what a Trex 600 sales for? As I'm trying to fig out how much to save up for this bad boy

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02-07-2010 08:13 PM  8 years agoPost 196
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I find a simple rule in life you pay for what you get so the x50 should be more.

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02-07-2010 09:26 PM  8 years agoPost 197
OLROY

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I agree with you, IMO it's the best looking 50 out there. But knowing a guess price range for this would help alot

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02-07-2010 10:02 PM  8 years agoPost 198
Dino Spadaccini

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i have no idea on the price

RIP Roman JR
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02-08-2010 12:03 PM  8 years agoPost 199
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Hi:

I bought a Raptor Titan SE with engine and pipe some months ago. I did have a couple of problems in the assembly due to imperfections in the machining of some parts (not found by most to my bad ).

I also had a LOT of problems with the Red Line engine. Summing this up, I wasn't having a good time with the heli since a month ago, after I found the problem with the engine, which was it doesn't like tight fuel line bents using the header tank.

For the record, none of the fuel lines in my heli were kinked, as I was using quality and thick wall fuel line, but for a reason, a given bent was the cause of the engine problem, the one going from the main tank to the header tank inlet. I was able to find it after I started to remove components, one by one, and re-testing there after.

Presently, I can say I'm pretty happy with the SE after those horrible months with problems: The heli is VERY agile and poppy after you go beyond the 2000's , up to the point that it has hold me up on getting another brand 50 heli I was contemplating buying.

Now, with this new model, the X50, things has changed more. It looks GREAT and I'm confident the current testing group will be more than capable to assure it get the final details to make it one of the best, if not the best, 50 on the market.

For the time it will take to be on the shelves, I'll be able to save money for it and even will buy a set of the Futaba 451's brushless servos that will be a perfect match to my T8FG and R8000HS in the high speed rate mode.

David

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02-08-2010 09:32 PM  8 years agoPost 200
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Mechanical vs electronic mixing, just add Vbar !
summer 2008 I made Colin Bell fly my scratch built heli with V-Stabi system That was with the 3.6 firmware back then.

Altough he did not like the feeling he sais that this system, remove the interaction of eccpm, it fly like mccpm.

He said that we changed his opinion of those systems that week end. I suppose that he found those before were not ok.

And before long FBL will be the norm.

Of course Mccpm is superior geometry wise.
Eccpm much simpler for manufacturers, lighter and fashionable.
Difficult to setup with a flybar and need a high end radio.
FBL solve the problem but seem a patch to some.

I have flown all those and before V-stabi Mccpm had superior flight caracteristics. The best flight caracteristic now it is FBL (Vbar) especially with 4.0 firmware.

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