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01-24-2010 09:03 PM  8 years agoPost 1
Lirch

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Just purchased a new T-Rex 600 ESP Combo. While waiting to recieve it I have noticed a few posts talking about the Align ESC catching on fire. My bird has an Align 100 amp in the kit. I was wondering why they have been catching on fire. Little concerned because I don't want to start off on the wrong foot with my first electric.

Lirch

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01-25-2010 12:41 AM  8 years agoPost 2
Ken4

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Ive had 44 flights with my stock esc. No issues. I think as long as you use the 14T pinion, mid timing and governor mode off, you will be fine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKF13bbcscU

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01-25-2010 02:40 AM  8 years agoPost 3
Spitfire1

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Its scare mungering, they dont catch fire any more than any other ESC, you need to take whats written on forums with a pinch of salt.

Any electronic componant can fail, theres maybe as many as 15 Align esc`s among the people I fly with many going on 2 - 3 years old, out of all of them I am the only one who has had one catch fire after about a year of good use, I was doing tic tocs in 40 degree heat, thats over 100 in the old measurements, unfortunately we have to fly in it as its that hot much of the year.

Since that happened my buddies have given me the nickname Inferno which has stuck to this day, they dont call me Jason anymore, Il be known as Inferno for as long as Im flying with them.

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01-25-2010 02:51 AM  8 years agoPost 4
Lirch

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Thanks, for the info. I will give it a try. Stay safe and have a good day at the field.

Lirch

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01-25-2010 01:59 PM  8 years agoPost 5
ambravo

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If you do decide to swap it out, the Castle HV85 is a great choice. or the HV110 even better but more $...

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01-25-2010 08:08 PM  8 years agoPost 6
chopper_crazy

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Delphos, Ohio

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I used my 600esp for 48 flights before my stock 100amp esc went bad. It didn't catch fire but it stopped working all together. I picked up a Castle Creations HV85 and couldn't be happier. It is amazing. I love the super smooth soft start.

It's a complex, costly, glow powered anti-gravity machine!

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01-25-2010 10:53 PM  8 years agoPost 7
Si_B

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I've just recently finished my ESP. Unfortunately I didn't even get in the air with mine, got a few stuttering revolutions of the blades. Unplugged everything, tried again.....nothing. I've got a Trex 450 and 500 and have never had an issue with Align electronics, but was disappointed to have got an ESC which had passed quality control, but was obviously not fit for purpose.

I couldn't get hold of a CC ICE 110V ESC, so went with the Scorpion 120A ESC (don't intend using more than 6s). Only had it hovering in the garden so far, but at least it got into the air !!!.

No right answer regarding upgrading it without using it. Mine was bad from the box which I think is very poor, if I'd had some good flying out of it I guess I would have been happier. I've not seen any fires, but no one at my club still flies on the Align ESC due to having failures. In fact one of the club members swapped back to the original 75A ESC until their new ESC arrived and had no problems.

Cheers,

Simon

ps. my ESP was fitted with the 14t pinion

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01-26-2010 12:47 AM  8 years agoPost 8
Spitfire1

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Im not trying to step on anyones toes, I know Align esc`s go pop from time to time(its happened to me), Ive had 2 CC85`s not work from day 1 but Im sure there great ESC`s, I just think its got to a point where people come on here and get the false impression they need to upgrade there Align esc/motors from day 1, obviously I dont know what the odds are, but if your Align esc goes pop I would be prepared to say your among a very unlucky few, and the vast majority work fine, as i said I dont know anyone else whos had one go but myself, and doing hard tic tocs with a 75 amp 6s trex 600 on a +40 degree day I pretty much brought it on myself.

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01-26-2010 01:18 AM  8 years agoPost 9
Lirch

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Thanks again for the help.

Lirch

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01-26-2010 02:45 AM  8 years agoPost 10
gixxerjeff

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Im one of those guys that never installed the stock align esc on my new 600 esp build last month.I had thoughts of my new ship bursting into flames on the first flight.I installed a CC ice 100 amp. wanted to use the data logging feature to come up with my own conclusions on the esc fires.My setup on 6s turnagy 5000mah 25c packs will spike between 100-120 amps on pumps.This is with the stock motor,15 tooth,100% throttle,+12/-12 pitch.Now add a higher watt aftermarket motor,and some 30c or 40c packs and you could pull enough current to get in trouble.And I dont think it is align esc specific,maybe 100 amp specific.

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01-26-2010 04:20 AM  8 years agoPost 11
Spitfire1

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^
OK I realise you have a 100 ICE thats fine , but generaly people will come on here and say the Align 100 amp is not up to the job, so throw it away and spend nearly double the price for a CC85 thats an 85 amp speedy, do the math cc85 = 85 amp, Align 100 amp = 100 amp with a 135 amp surge current, now as far as the Castle 85HV surge current it seems there not to forthcomeing on the exact details, but the best info Ive managed to find from second hand sources is that its 120 amps.

100 amp constant 130 amp surge current. $170 Aus.

85 amp constant (120 amp possibly??) surge current for $280 Aus.

If you ever plan to go larger than 6s or use gov mode then its either Castle or Kontronic, otherwise I think Align 100 is the best choice.

As far as putting a governor on an electric motor, I think its completely absurd anyway, but Il leave that for another topic, electric motors are already governed by there very nature, IMO if your head speed starts to drop noticeable at the end of your flight youve flown too long, I fly for 4 - 5 minutes and my headspeed does not slow down, if it slows down Ive hit LVC and probly stuffed my lipo, I dont see the logic of putting a governor on an electric heli.

EDIT: Just to simplifly it, a combustion engine when under no load will over rev and maybe cause the head to errupt!, where as an electric motor will not and thats it in a nutshell IMO.

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01-26-2010 06:26 AM  8 years agoPost 12
ambravo

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+1. I don't feel an electric motor needs to be governed. Gear it for the desired head speed and fly it at 100%.

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01-26-2010 07:16 AM  8 years agoPost 13
Spitfire1

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I dont understand it myself, but people who use governor mode on there electrics seem to swear that it makes there heli fly better, I just dont see how.

The only thing I can see possibly is it could keep you headspead constant from the start of the pack cycle to the end, but then your effectively robbing yourself of headspead at the beggining of the flight.

And as I said if I notice a power decrease at the end of my flight it means Im in pretty dangerous territory with regards to low cell voltage, if the headspead drops I think its time to reduce the minutes on your timer! not use governor mode.

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01-26-2010 12:04 PM  8 years agoPost 14
gixxerjeff

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Prospect Park,New Jersey

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I think you need to run governor mode at like what 85% throttle? I didnt like my 600esp,s performance until I ran it at 100% with a 15 tooth pinion.Sooo..no governor for me....

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01-26-2010 01:04 PM  8 years agoPost 15
Evan D

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Charlotte, NC

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The only other 600ESP where I fly had his Align ESC catch fire so he went to a ICE, not sure the size but I think the 100A. He is very picky about set up and getting everything perfect so I trust his build but I need to find out his settings (pinion, max pitch, etc). He is just into the loop and roll learning stage. I've flown his helo harder than he has be no tick tocks or hard on the electronics manuevers.

I've had no issues with mine running a 14t pinion and lowly 20C packs. I am expecting to swap to the 15t at some point though.

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01-27-2010 12:49 AM  8 years agoPost 16
Spitfire1

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Perth Australia

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Lirch:

Dont know how much experience you have with E helis, but running 100% flat throttle curves will keep your ESC cool.

Im no electronics expert, but from my understanding if you run less than 100% say 80%, the ESC has to get rid of that energy in the form of heat.
I know from experience when guys are just learning to hover and run low T/curves(80% or so) the ESC can get very hot after 5 - 8 minutes, where doing hard 3d for 5 minutes at 100% throttle the esc comes down barely luke warm, at 100% its the motor that gets hot, and i would much prefer a motor to wear out or crap itself than have an ESC go up in flames.

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01-27-2010 11:56 PM  8 years agoPost 17
HybridHeli

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My kit came with the original 75A which went up in smoke just hovering.
I’ve upgraded to the 100A.
Three years later (and I suppose flights numbering in the hundreds) it has worked flawlessly..through thick and thin..through crashes..through THREE motors..governor mode or no..high Texas heat and cold Indiana winters.

Go for it.

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nothing automatic about autorotations man..

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01-27-2010 11:58 PM  8 years agoPost 18
HybridHeli

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Oh..and look out for the new ESP super combo kits with the 600M motor.

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nothing automatic about autorotations man..

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01-28-2010 12:38 AM  8 years agoPost 19
Spitfire1

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Perth Australia

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Just to throw a spanner in the works, we have been useing elcheapo hobbyking ESC`s rangeing from 25 amp - 80 amp, they usually cost anywhere from $8 to $30 a peice, useing them in our ducted fan jets all summer long and so far have not had one go up in smoke yet, our summer temps hover between 35 - 43 degres, that being said we seem to be burning up motors like theres no tommorow, but there usually only $15 anyway. I use Align 75 amp ESC`s in my larger 70 mm jets just to be safe as there worth a few hundred for the airframes.

Ive heard good reports from people running Turnigy plush speeddies in there 500 size helis and I think they cost about 50 bucks, Im just saying in the scale of things Align esc`s are not elcheapo crap, at $180 a pop I would class them as high end electronics.

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01-28-2010 03:17 AM  8 years agoPost 20
Lirch

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Dinwiddie, Va

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Thanks for all the advise. My heli should arrive tomorrow. Can't wait. I'm goin to us what comes in the kit and I will post how it does.

Lirch

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