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01-24-2010 06:28 PM  8 years agoPost 1
the_sven

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I recently "accidentally" won a JR 10X on Ebay. My prior knowledge of the radio was limited to the fact that it was the predecessor to the 12X. I say accidentally because i wasnt completely sold on it yet. was in the process of comparing to my other options...

I currently run a DX7 and i am very happy with it. i thought i would keep it forever. With the new aurora 9 coming out I started to get interested in additional programming flexibility as i am using my DX7 to the max (all channels all switches).

anyway, thats how i came onto looking at older top of the line radios with the intention of using Spektrum module with it. it appeared to be an inexpensive way to improve on the DX7.

Long story short, my 10X is in the mail and although the radio was king of the hill back in the day, i am wondering if its still relevant in todays world.

from looking at the manual it definitely has superior programming and features and should be an upgrade to the DX7 in that sense, but i am afraid of usability issues with the Spektrum module and the inherent latency that comes with it that will in the end be a step back instead of an improvement.

anyone running a 10X on Spektrum that can comment on the radio performance?

how does this radio compare feature wise to more modern radios... (for example, programming wise, it looks way more sophisticated than the 9303, way more features and cool trim knobs). it has tail rotor pitch curves for example... never even though of that as being a possibility (it may not be necessary with todays advanced gyros...?)

the analog throttle trim seems outdated to me for though...

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01-24-2010 06:40 PM  8 years agoPost 2
Saint728

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Hopefully you bought a helicopter version and not the aircraft one? I say this because they are not interchangeable like todays transmitters, the 10X is model specified. It also has a touch screen so don't get any water or fuel sprayed on there. If you do it will absorb into the screen and it won't work anymore. I'm sure the 10X is just as good as todays transmitters, but it doesn't have some of the features you may need. I'm sure someone will chime in that actually owns one. I've seen plenty of people at my local airfield a few years ago that had one and they looked pretty good for an old transmitter.

Here is the manual for the helicopter version http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...cgWPwF6XHlbQseQ

Here is the manual for the airplane version http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...QqB8ScpvsSf04GA

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01-24-2010 06:53 PM  8 years agoPost 3
the_sven

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yes it is the helicopter version and that is one of the major drawbacks. aside from my heli's, i do have a couple of planes but im pretty sure i will be able to program those in on the heli version...

my main concern is that although i can turn around and let this radio go, what would i be better off with? like i said, the 9303 didn't look even close programming wise. the 9303 is actually seems more similar to the DX7 than the 10X....

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01-25-2010 06:43 PM  8 years agoPost 4
tadawson

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While I can't speak to the 10X with 2.4, I can say that I have yet to find a radio that has given me any interest or reason to move away from my 10Xs, both air and heli . . .

- Tim

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01-25-2010 07:12 PM  8 years agoPost 5
the_sven

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That sounds encouraging. I guess I will know for sure when I get my hands on it and I can play around with the programming some more. I love the analog dials and all the switches. Definately more compelling than the 9303...

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01-25-2010 07:13 PM  8 years agoPost 6
Saint728

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While I can't speak to the 10X with 2.4, I can say that I have yet to find a radio that has given me any interest or reason to move away from my 10Xs, both air and heli . . .
Never heard of a 10Xs before? JR did have a 10SX and a 10SX II, before the 10X came out.

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01-25-2010 07:21 PM  8 years agoPost 7
tadawson

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10Xs, the plural of 10X, as in more than one 10X . . . I have both the air and heli variants . . .

- Tim

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01-25-2010 07:50 PM  8 years agoPost 8
the_sven

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Seeing as this radio still uses a lithium battery for model memory retention, does anyone know if this is easily replaceable or will I absolutely need to send it in? I know the manual states that it needs to be done at the service center.... Just wondering if its doable at home if need be...

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01-25-2010 08:16 PM  8 years agoPost 9
tadawson

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The 10X is a bit of a bear to get into, so while you can probably do it yourself if you have very good talents with small electronics, as well as excellent soldering skills, overall it would probably be best to just send it to Horizon and have them give it a good checkup as well as replace the battery.

FWIW, mine are over 5 years in my hands, and I probably need to do the batteries pretty darn soon as well . . .

- Tim

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01-26-2010 01:24 AM  8 years agoPost 10
RAK402

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I have the DX7, 10X, and 12X.

You can "Feel the difference" between the three.

With the same helicopter:

You feel quicker response on the DX7 and 12X than the 10X with the module. This is not a DX7SE, by the way.

The gimbals are much smoother on the 10X and 12X than the DX7.

Both the 10X and 12X are more comfortable to hold (feeling more solid while flying and thicker, with rubber grips on the back).

Both the 10X and 12X feel more precise than the DX7 (the 12X being the best).

The programming on the 12X is the easiest and most complete, the 10X next, then the DX7. The 12X has the rolling selector, the 10X the touch screen, the DX7 its own arrangement with buttons.

If memory serves, setting the governor was a bit strange on the 10X (it required the use of a programmable mix to get it to work. I can't recall on the DX7. The 12X is very easy to set.

The sticks on the 10X and DX7 can be made slightly longer than those on the 12X.

You have to be a bit careful of the cable for the module on the 10X and also make sure that the module fits properly (tightly). There have been a few reports of modules coming loose in the Tx while flying (mine is a bit loose but has never come out or unsnapped).

None of them balance on the neck strap.

The 12X radio is, IMHO, superb, the 10X not quite as good, the DX7 not quite as nice as the 10X (but again faster in response than the 10X with the module and you can easily feel it).

All three are very good pieces of equipment.

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01-27-2010 12:49 AM  8 years agoPost 11
the_sven

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thanks for the comparison.

I have the DX7 and i hoped that the 10X would be an upgrade, but if its 'noticeably' slower then it might not be the way to go. I guess i will see how it flies when it arrives...

i wonder if i will be able to detect the latency as you say.

i guess the only way to truly judge it is to push forward and buy a Spektrum module.

Unless I just dont feel its worth investigating further and sell it as is....

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01-27-2010 01:01 AM  8 years agoPost 12
RAK402

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I flew all of these radios quite a bit. They all were used in the same helicopters, over time. Those helicopters retained their on-board equipment as the transmitters changed (with the exception of those with AR6000/DSM receivers, as they would not bind to the 10X with the module-the module only supports the better DSM2).

The 12X is sort of the best of all worlds-as fast as a normal DX7, with infinitely better and more thorough programming, and the same heavy, solid, precise feel of the 10X.

The 10X is still a good reliable radio.

Good luck to you sir, whatever you decide to do.

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01-27-2010 01:05 AM  8 years agoPost 13
tadawson

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If you can feel the latency, then perhaps the 10X is less for you than the DX-7. Considering that I think that most only feel the latency on paper, the 10X is light years ahead of the DX-7 in every other way, and the programming interface (touchscreen) has no comparison in any other JR radio . . . . the user interface on the 12X pales by comparison, at least to me . . .

If you decide you don't want it, perhaps I might be convinced to buy another one for myself . . .

- Tim

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01-27-2010 02:48 AM  8 years agoPost 14
Avropilot

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I still use a 10X with the spektrum module. Great radio. I have done the antenna mod so the wire doesnt hang off the back and look tacky. Looks stock now. The only thing that this setup doesnt have that I would like is model match. None of the module upgraded 2.4 radios have it as it's integrated into the radio. You'll love the radio. I have a 11.1 3s lipo in mine and it lasts for months without recharging.

Waiting for parts

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01-28-2010 02:13 PM  8 years agoPost 15
the_sven

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Well radio arrived and I have to say I am impressed.

First of all it is in like new condition. Looks great.

It is a drastic step up in quality over the DX7 that's for sure. Feels like a tank.

Programming: at first I didn't like the touch screen setup and the menu structure. I guess I was just used to the DX7. But after about 15 minutes of playing around and getting to understand the menu system I have the say that this thing is IT. The touch screen makes it so much faster to maneuver around. This being a top line 10ch radio, there are tons of menus, but the touch screen makes it so you're never more than a couple of clicks away from any program in the radio.

Already programmed in my heli, and my plane.

I love the analog knobs that I can use for things like continuously variable flaps or whatever else. Or to control a camera mount under my heli. The 9303 radios lack these knobs.

Also, there are 8 available mix programs, vs. 6 on the DX7 and 9303.

I have to say that I'm impressed so far. Hope I don't stress too much about keeping the touch screen clean and scratch free (this is where the scroll wheel would feel more durable).

and I still have to wait for the Spektrum module because no one has one in stock. But after only a couple of hours I am definitely leaning to keeping this radio and trusting it enough to be able to sell the DX7.

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01-28-2010 03:01 PM  8 years agoPost 16
Avropilot

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Do yourself a favor and get a screen protector from HERE. Been there done that.

Waiting for parts

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01-29-2010 01:52 AM  8 years agoPost 17
tadawson

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Have a look around the internet, as well as at the JR Air and Heli 10X manuals as well - there are a few less than obvious features with regards to mixes that can be hugely powerful, such as the ability to setup a knob to tune the actual governor set point without changing any programming . . . IE, tunable headspeed, as well as other things . . . It really does take a while to get a feel for all that is available in a 10X . . .

- Tim

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01-29-2010 02:40 AM  8 years agoPost 18
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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1+ for the screen protector mentioned. The magnesium case is nice, isn't it?

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01-29-2010 03:24 AM  8 years agoPost 19
the_sven

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the radio is great. i am already appreciating the mixes.

just for programming practice i hooked up the FM receiver to my parkzone corsair. not only was i able to easily program the plane in, i was also able to give it continuously variable flapperons (negative on the knob) and interestingly enough spoilerons (positive on same knob) and i still have mixes left available to program in some elevator with that. i really like how easy it is to program the offset between the channels etc just by moving the stick (not obvious at first but brilliantly simple!)

in heli mode, the other two analog knobs tune the hover pitch and throttle points. i can see this being useful in wind or when adjusting for an additional load on the heli (like a camera mount etc.) Haven't tried it on the heli yet but i can observe the affects on the curves.

but i digress...

i guess for me the point of this excercize was to get an older better radio/spektrum module to replace the DX7 for less than a 9303 with dedicated 2.4.

i wasn't sure if it should be the 10X or something like the 9303 since its newer. i can easily sell this and get a used 9303 and use with spektrum module if its in some way better. im still not sure what the 9303 CAN do that the 10X cant but i definately see some things that make the opposite true.

having seen how useful the analog knobs are (and seeing how they are not available until you go as high as the the 12X) and the additional available mixes etc. it is clear to me that i have a gem on my hands. and from the sentiment from other sources on the net, some people don't know enough about this radio to truly appreciate it. i guess i was just looking for some validation but i am already falling in love... haha...

now i just need to wait for that spektrum module and see if i notice a difference in speed...

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01-29-2010 05:27 AM  8 years agoPost 20
tadawson

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the other two analog knobs tune the hover pitch and throttle points.
Or can be mixed to do pretty much anything else you might imagine - read the docs!

- Tim

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