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02-23-2010 01:56 AM  10 years ago
Turkana

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A beast X video is out. Here http://beastx.com/video/Nigel1-Standard.mp4
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02-23-2010 06:35 AM  10 years ago
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I been reading so mucch wantting a flybarless system. Now I see people saying align is cheaper but they have to test all many blades and ones that come with align flybarless kit are actually no good for it so now they spend hundred dollars more now they are as much or more then vbar and is actually not as good so how are people saving when mess around to get working and not even as good? all problems with bounce and bad feel being posted sounds not good Sooo glad i just about jumped on the 3G and the problems and all the goofing around to even get them to work half good seems to be a BIG headache!!! Want to see thesei beast sytems now soon?
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02-23-2010 06:50 AM  10 years ago
WIRLYBIRD

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The control looks magnificent , but having said that , that pilot could probably do the same with just a broken gyro in the machine!!!

Is there a link to the Beasts X site?
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WHAT GOES UP MUST SURELY COME DOWN.
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02-23-2010 02:16 PM  10 years ago
Turkana

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beastx.com
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02-23-2010 09:43 PM  10 years ago
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my thoughts
i am assuming that most of these systems are designed from a single model, that is they all are very much operating in a similar fashion, using algorithms and loops to control the behavior of the heli without a mechanical stabilization system in place.
That is, im not sure if there are different mechanisms in the different FBL systems. that said, if we were to look into these devices, i bet we would probably see that some if not most of the parts on the inside are exactly the same in all of the units, maybe even produced in the same tech labs across Asia and Europe, sold to the various vendors and then assembled in various ways- cases, parameters, etc.
My point is that the research and development of these types of electronics are done by very few people (engineers that probably know each other well) and the progress builds off of earlier versions as well as the ever important reverse engineering.

we should expect all of them to be susceptible to the exact same issues and problems to overcome. Certainly the software/firmware updates will be the most effective in solving these.
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02-23-2010 09:57 PM  10 years ago
billiano

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Jag 72
I will call you from now on ''Master Yoda'' of the FBL Knights..
And please allow me to help you in your mission by selling me all your Gyrobots & V-Bars at half price.
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02-24-2010 12:51 AM  10 years ago
Turkana

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Hi
I posted this bevor. Here you can build your own Flb Unit and you can see how its done and programmed. it s not rocket science and this unit flies pretty well belive me!
http://translate.google.com/transla...lz%3D1I7GZAZ_en
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02-24-2010 12:53 AM  10 years ago
Turkana

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On the left of the page there is actually an english page now !! Its very intresting and gives you an insight of FLB

Regards Pete
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02-25-2010 06:54 AM  10 years ago
FLAME747

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Other that HeliCommand - Which other units offer Position mode?

Thanks,

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JR X9503.Trex 450 Sport Modified by NightFlyr – Call Sign “MidNight Cowboy”, JR 287MG on Cyclic, Fut
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02-25-2010 05:37 PM  10 years ago
Turkana

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The Gyrobot 900 does.
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02-25-2010 06:04 PM  10 years ago
Big Fil

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DJI and Helicommand Profi do a true position hold via GPS. Gyrobot 900 is doing an attitiude hold but the system will not try to hold a vertical or horizontal position in relation to the ground.
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02-25-2010 09:05 PM  10 years ago
billiano

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I believe there is also another system from Korea-China or Taiwan
With relative stabilisation to the ground.It's name has something to do with auto pilot...
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02-25-2010 10:18 PM  10 years ago
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Guess what I found what I was talking about..
Flymentor 3D helicopter stabilisation System
It's called and it's also with camera for positioning..
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02-26-2010 12:09 AM  10 years ago
FLAME747

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So Between Helicommand Rigid & GyroBot 900 which one is better?JR X9503.Trex 450 Sport Modified by NightFlyr – Call Sign “MidNight Cowboy”, JR 287MG on Cyclic, Fut
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02-26-2010 12:28 AM  10 years ago
billiano

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I think in Psychology this is called Deja-Vous.
Because that's why all is this topic is about.
So everyone has to find the right for him.
Personally I would prefer Gyrobot 900 for 1000 reasons

P.S:Check at http://www.espritmodel.com
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02-26-2010 12:38 AM  10 years ago
Turkana

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They all have pros and cons. I personaly would go for the Gyrobot 900 becasue its a breeze to setup. Reagrds Pete
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04-22-2010 11:13 AM  10 years ago
DEMONjoe

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Hi Anthony,

let me know if Danny talked to you regarding HC3-Xtreme test.
You know how to find me, please email directly, as I do not manage to read here very often.

Cheers,
Joachim
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04-22-2010 02:45 PM  10 years ago
ThermalTrans

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Earlier it was mentioned the flybarless units use the same algorithms. This is true to some extent. But clearly the interface and nominal parameter settings are different as well as some of the features enabled.

One if the things I have learned is that most the systems can be set to have a wide range of flight characteristics. The parameters nomenclature can be different. The approach to the interface can be different ( Skookum 360 Bell-Hiller analogy, Some others roll rates and delays etc.) and of course stabilization gains for most. Nominal setting for each can affect ones intial impression but I think it takes time to fly and adjust parameters. For me it took a period of time to adjust to how flybarless performs and to modify my flying style and the setting I have used at the same time.

My opinion is that there is a not a given way a particular flybarless unit performs but a wide range of ways it can perform. Some of the parameters that affect flight may not be adjustable is some units giving them somewhat of a characteristic "feel". These unajustable parameters in the routines may make a unit somewhat better for ones particular tastes.

The nominal parameters suggested for a particular heli by the manufacturer or third parties may not be ideal for your particular flying style and you should carefully experiment to find out what handling characteristics you like and feel intuitive to you.

Features may drive what is the best unit for you. Some units have learning aids like self righting and handling limits for newer pilots. Some have data logging, sattelite reciever capability, some are lower in cost, size differs which may affect application to a given model, Some are single enclosure and some use control and gyro enclosures. Units with gyros and accelerometers may work better for self righting since the proer use of both alows dfor more accurate determination of the copters attititude in space (IMU).

Bottom line is it is awfully hard to make what is best comparison without spending time using and tweaking the units. They are by nature flexible and highly adjustable. Much more adjustable and flexible than mechanical adjustments on copters.

So I'd more like to see a comparison by features, cost, comments on how particular flight charecteristics are modified by the user interface, form factor and mountability and any comments on "innate handling charecteristics of a given unit versus another. I do not think there is a "best" unit for all. A stick bange may want one that can handle extremely quick inputs without delay. Someone flying precision or scale may want one that can give precise slow performance and stability better. Although most can be tuned across this range some might be more suited to a particular flying style.

Ones I am fooling around with : Gyrobot, Mikado, SJGD, Skookum 360 (hopefully 720 soon).

My 22cents.
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04-23-2010 01:03 PM  10 years ago
BOOGIE

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Vbar has been doing a good job for meMSH USA / Lynx Heli Innovations
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04-23-2010 02:06 PM  10 years ago
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So far so good...
Can please someone help with AC-3X settings for Kasama.
Give me a clue of his settings to have as a knowledge base.
Although factory settings except tail that needs much more gain are OK.

P.S:Or send me the saved file of his heli.
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