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01-22-2010 06:10 PM  8 years agoPost 1
cudaboy_71

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A buddy and I have some time slated tomorrow morning (weather permitting) to do some hands-on with the FL760 on a 700.

The testbed is my buddy, Paul's 700N--one of the best setups i have ever flown. It is currently set up with vbar 4.0 and an RJX head. The plan is for each of us to burn a tank or so on vbar to get a good baseline. then, to install the FL760 (retaining the RJX head) on the same machine and fly a few more tanks each.

the hope is to get plenty of pictures, video, and opinions from some average joe pilots.

I'll be tweeting any notes, comments, and discussion points realtime. If anyone cares to follow along sub http://www.twitter.com/cudaboy_71

time is *very* loosely slated for 7:00am - 11:30am PST. rain-date is 1/24 same time.

otherwise, i'll post back findings, observations and opinions here. if anyone has any special requests, post here and we'll try to work them in the time available.

fingers crossed for good weather.

if it ain't broke, break it.

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01-22-2010 07:36 PM  8 years agoPost 2
duke666

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This is great, just what we need some side by side factual information and not just hear say from the " I love V-BAR / ALIGN camp".

I'm sure this will be unbiased facts. Thanks for the time and effort guys.

Duke

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01-22-2010 08:25 PM  8 years agoPost 3
cudaboy_71

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it's going to be as unbiased as possible. neither of us is sponsored. however, it's not possible to do a double-blind. i think both of us are going into this thinking vbar will come out on top. but, that fact is not blinding us to whatever the (real or perceived) reality will be. that's the point of the drill.

it has also been suggested that we test the following:

- Wobble at stop or unsolid stops
- Pitch up in FFF
- Tailwag in FFF/Funnel FFF
- Fly FF and start to pirouette does it continue in a straight line
- Pitchpump and tail slides to test how tail is holding.
- Wobble at sustained TicTocs
- Interaction at continuously rolls/flips .
- How good the "flow" is in piroflips and other cyclic moves like piro loops etc.

if anyone has any requests, please let me know ASAP.

i can already tell you i'm not going to be able to complete the piroflip tests in the last bullet. i'm not that comfortable putting someone else's heli through that. and, the owner is not quite to that level of flight yet.

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01-22-2010 08:36 PM  8 years agoPost 4
Wimbledon99

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Can't wait

I fly vBar 4 and on first impressions the Align system just doesn't seem to have the equal functionality. Will be great to read the reviews and get the facts.

Good Luck Gents

3D?? No - just another input error!!!

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01-22-2010 09:43 PM  8 years agoPost 5
CNCjunkie

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Thanks for doing this eval cudaboy_71

I just picked up a 700LE kit and am seriousely thinking of installing the 3G. I'll be checking this thread often.

Just another crappy day in Paradise....Aloha!

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01-22-2010 11:32 PM  8 years agoPost 6
Elgreco

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I have the Align FBL on the way for my 700.

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01-22-2010 11:36 PM  8 years agoPost 7
jongurley

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Should be good info,,

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01-22-2010 11:51 PM  8 years agoPost 8
steph280

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yes I too would love to hear the result of this.

Just a little tidbit about the 3G system which I posted in the HF forum.
The Align 3G system is fully programmable, with complexity that rivals any of the existing system on the market today. In fact, the programmer software has already been completed. A lot of the setup parameters will eventually be opened up to user modifications through the programming kit. But for now, they want to keep some tried and true settings in the system, so that FBL novices can learn the basic setup and experience the benefits of FBL system.

Once they open it up for external programming, the possibility is endless.

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01-22-2010 11:57 PM  8 years agoPost 9
CompyMike

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There arn't many FlyBarless 700's in Sacratomato.

Who are you?

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01-22-2010 11:58 PM  8 years agoPost 10
Wimbledon99

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A lot of the setup parameters will eventually be opened up to user modifications through the programming kit. But for now, they want to keep some tried and true settings in the system, so that FBL novices can learn the basic setup and experience the benefits of FBL system.
WHY

What about the experienced FBL users that may want to try this system but feel it's not worth the money?

Sounds like a half baked system at the moment. If it was ready it would surely be available and the user would be provided with Novice / Experienced menus

Not convinced myself

Just for the record - I'm not bashing Align. I have a 700 FBL and she's my favourite. Flies like a patternship and holds a real presence in the sky.

3D?? No - just another input error!!!

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01-23-2010 12:06 AM  8 years agoPost 11
steph280

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If you went to the Align funfly last year you will get a glimpse of the tests they have done. Calling it half baked sight unseen certainly is not a fair assessment.

Of course the more FBL experienced will want to tweak every single parameter there is, and they will have that opportunity very soon. Nobody is forcing this down your throat, so if you feel it's not worth the money, wait until the program kit comes out and then make your judgment.

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01-23-2010 12:13 AM  8 years agoPost 12
CompyMike

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Maybe it is Bob ?!

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01-23-2010 12:13 AM  8 years agoPost 13
cudaboy_71

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Who are you?
well, how many 7' heli pilots DO you know?

if it ain't broke, break it.

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01-23-2010 12:13 AM  8 years agoPost 14
CompyMike

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Heh. Now I Know!
When your not there I am the tallest.

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01-23-2010 12:16 AM  8 years agoPost 15
CompyMike

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Those two posts were scary close.

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01-23-2010 12:42 AM  8 years agoPost 16
Wimbledon99

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Calling it half baked sight unseen certainly is not a fair assessmen
Half a system to Market = Half Baked

No matter what the event, give a World Class Pilot a Co-Ro and he'll make it look good.

To reiterate, I love my 700 but I did need to upgrade the bolts, links and balls.

I guess my point is that I wish Align would come to Market with a polished product in the first instance

3D?? No - just another input error!!!

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01-23-2010 01:21 AM  8 years agoPost 17
cudaboy_71

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I guess my point is that I wish Align would come to Market with a polished product in the first instance
what? and price itself right out of the mainstream? ya...that's bloody likely.

if it ain't broke, break it.

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01-23-2010 02:00 AM  8 years agoPost 18
Qrrambero

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I just came from South Lake Tahoe and it was raining in Sacramento.
Also it was windy in some areas. I do not know if you have the helis trim and ready to fly or you are going to do trimming in the field.
Any way good luck and thanks for been independent.
I hate the Democrat-Republican stuff.

Ae

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01-23-2010 02:02 AM  8 years agoPost 19
Big Fil

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Hey Cudaboy71, looking forward to seeing how your experiment goes. Over the years i've always seen you as one of the straight shooters so I do think you'll try to do as unbiased a review as possible.

That said in the interest of full disclosure would it not be fair to mention that you are a part of a retailer that sells Align product? If memory serves me correct you were. Please correct me if i'm wrong or things have changed. Again I do believe you'll do your best to do a fair assesment either way.

OK, now back to the fun stuff. Is it possible for you guys to try multiple blades with each system? It would be interesting to see how each system handles different blades.

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01-23-2010 03:41 AM  8 years agoPost 20
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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Here is what I want to know:

#1. How much does it pitch up in fast forward flight?

#2. How much does the tail oscillate?

#3. How much do the main blades oscillate?

The V-bar flies great, but it is quite expensive. If Align does in fact has a system which costs considerably less than the V-bar yet is comparable performance-wise, that would really be something.

In the videos I have seen of the Align system, the pilot is doing crack 3D moves. This doesn't tell much about the oscillations/wobbles which can plague these FBL systems.

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