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01-22-2010 04:40 PM  8 years agoPost 1
dvdking

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Got a debate with my brother who also flys also he claims a person needs to fly the simulator all the time but feels that you are only going to get better if you are on the simulator true. But I told him being on the simulator is not going to do you any good if you are not going to the field and fly and try out what you learn on the simulator. IN other word what is the use of getting on the simulator if you never go the field and fly and he has not been to the field in 4yrs. To me why is he even in the hobby who hasn't flown in 4ys but claims being on the simulator is the only way your going to get good.

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01-22-2010 04:49 PM  8 years agoPost 2
Steff Giguere

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I agree sim time is great but you do need to get out to the field to get the feeling of the real thing. Most do lots more on the sim then in real life.

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01-22-2010 04:52 PM  8 years agoPost 3
DougsRC

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IN other word what is the use of getting on the simulator if you never go the field and fly and he has not been to the field in 4yrs.
I would agree with that statement. I think you can certainly learn to fly without a Sim but it will take alot longer and you will crash more often. For me getting comfortable on the Sim inverted really did help in real life.
On the other hand if you are a heli-Sim master and can do every move there is but don't fly for real can you even consider yourself a good heli pilot?

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01-22-2010 04:57 PM  8 years agoPost 4
cdrking

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I fly corporate aircraft for a living and like this saying.
"A successful simulator checkride is like successful surgery on a cadaver"

Ya gotta get out and fly the real thing. Sim time is useful but you have to fly the real thing.

Jeff

To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.

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01-22-2010 05:16 PM  8 years agoPost 5
dvdking

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Yes I have been trying to tell my brother this but he just don't get it he feels just flying the simulator every day is the only way to get good at flying but what is the use if you never go out to the field and fly and he has not been to the field in 4yrs.

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01-22-2010 05:20 PM  8 years agoPost 6
rudyy

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I would rather go to the flying field to fly and crash than just spending time on the sim without flying the real thing which I will never enjoy.

Yes, you just need to hit the reset button in the sim after the crash, but crashing and fixing are just part of this hobby.

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01-22-2010 05:32 PM  8 years agoPost 7
DVS

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Have your brother go to the field with you and show you how good he is in real life.

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01-22-2010 05:32 PM  8 years agoPost 8
whirlyspud

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SIm is only good for crude idea of how to do something, and real thing to gets the finesse. Depending on what you are doing, I have found the sim can hurt more than it helps.

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01-22-2010 05:36 PM  8 years agoPost 9
WJackson

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Nothing is like the real thing and if you havent flown enough IRL the "pucker factor" will not go away.

With that said the sim depends on HOW you sim. Do you:

Never cross the flight line as a hard rule

Perform moves in a contolled manner and can repeat over and over until they start to click or you've perfected them

etc, etc...

or do you:

Fly all over, cuz it dont matter its just a sim

Perform "piro flips" all day long, but cant do 2 consistantly in one spot, at one altitude

etc, etc...

Depends on how you approach using the sim as a tool or a toy.

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01-22-2010 05:57 PM  8 years agoPost 10
dvdking

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Well he stil feels that the simulator is the only way to learn to fly. So I tol him he will never be a real rc pilot just sitting behind the computer screen. So let him sit and watch the restof us go to the field and fly.

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01-22-2010 06:43 PM  8 years agoPost 11
Raptor Pilot

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Im just about to buy a flight sim for practise reasons but i feel that you have to fly the real thing outside to really do you any good. You just cant hit the reset button in real life.

If it doesnt move and its meant too... use WD 40. If it moves and its not meant too...use duct tape!

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01-22-2010 07:00 PM  8 years agoPost 12
Bundian

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I would say sim is very helpful, I only can fly on saturday and sunday soo weekdays at night is sim time.
But I try to learn a new move every week so I can have something new when weekend comes

It has been a pretty good learning method so far

And as WJackson pointed out I do take the sim very seriously, no flying all over the place do the moves in one spot and so on.

But if you just sit, home I think that's more like qualifies as a gamer, not as an rc heli pilot, since you not flying rc helis, you just playing on the sim....right?

Fly it like you stole it!!!

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01-22-2010 07:41 PM  8 years agoPost 13
fla heli boy

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I started on helis in '90. Hot and heavy for 6 years, then got out (racing MX instead). Now I've just gotten back in. Got just about everything I need to get my new Beam going (soon a 50 nitro). I bought a sim to "brush up" when I first got the Beam. Wish I never would've bought it (G4). I HATE the SIM. After 10 minutes, I just get bored and turn it off. I just can't really get the feel of it and I'd much rather be out flying. Maybe I'll change my mind when I actually get out and need to perfect a maneuver, otherwise I'll box it up and put it on E-bay. Don't get me wrong they're way cool (I had one of the first Dave Brown "wire frame" sims running on an AT back in the day, so I've really seen them progress!), just don't think it's for me.
For me, an hour on the Sim is almost like going to the dentist.

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01-22-2010 07:48 PM  8 years agoPost 14
WJackson

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For me, an hour on the Sim is almost like going to the dentist.
You know, that is true. If it wasn't for online and especially voice chat, I cant sim for more than 15 minutes without it getting really boring.

RIP Roman
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01-22-2010 07:53 PM  8 years agoPost 15
fla heli boy

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My dad has his Phoenix hooked up to his 1080 60" Plasma and he says after 10 minutes he's done too. We must have ADD or something.

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01-22-2010 07:57 PM  8 years agoPost 16
Zman

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I think your brother is just trying to irritate you. Just go fly and dont worry about him,.

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01-22-2010 07:59 PM  8 years agoPost 17
dvdking

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Zman I don't worry about him let him sit his ass and just wish he could fly.

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01-23-2010 01:03 AM  8 years agoPost 18
Yug

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The sim is a godsend. For the 1st half of last year, I was unable to stand due to spine problems so the sim was the only option. Then there's work, leaving no spare time to fly in daylight hours except for some simming while winding down with the aid of alcohol prior to sleepybyes.
I agree, there's nothing like flying for real, but the opportunity to get to the field nowdays is neigh on nill. Thank heavens for the sim.

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01-23-2010 05:31 PM  8 years agoPost 19
JasonJ

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The sim is a godsend.
I agree. Without the sim I would have walked away from the hobby in 07. I started in spring 07 and spent a frustrating summer and fall crashing and fixing and crashing. I had tried a sim initially but felt it wasn't for me, that I wouldn't get any value from a video game. All I could do after a summer and fall of struggling in real life was tail and sides hovering. Unacceptable.

I broke down and bought a sim as winter 07 started. By the time the snow melted in 08, I was ready to give it a go in real life again. Very first flight in months was proper normal forward flight and it felt second nature. I was motivated to stay with the hobby after that. Bear in mind, I have no 3D aspirations, but thanks to the sim I can roll and loop and fly fast forward with no issues. I cracked the inverted wall this month and can invert hover pretty comfortably in real life. I am also working on backwards flight in real life, and have been tempted to try a piro flip in real life.

Some would say for the time I have been in the hobby I have not progressed fast enough, but I can't fly but one or two times a week max due to weather or work or whatever. I have reached my initial goal of just being able to fly an rc helicopter. That's all I ever wanted. But now I want to do some fancy stuff, but I am in no real hurry. I fly when I feel like it, not because I need to be at some self induced level of skill.

But back to the sim, I use a blend of serious practice with a bit of screwing around to keep it interesting. It's a tool, and if a person only flies the sim and never the real thing, they are a gamer, not an rc pilot. I still prefer real stick time, the sim only gets you so far. You need to have that real experience to get you the rest of the way.

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01-23-2010 08:31 PM  8 years agoPost 20
fla heli boy

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oh there's no doubt it has it's uses. I just grew up without it and it doesn't work for me. If I met somebody that was a newb, I'd probably give it, or at least, loan it to them to get them started. I just don't care for it. Maybe I'll change my mind once I get butt deep back into flying again. Going E is throwing me off. Nitro I can do in my sleep.

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