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01-22-2010 03:15 AM  8 years agoPost 1
Rob Faust

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I'm trying to figure out why TT can't simply reduce the R90-3D down to the the R50 size. They kinda did that with the new Titan SE as far as head design. The Titan SE head looks like a reduced version of the R90-3D head. Why not do the same with the rest of the helicopter? I would have loved to have the same easy maintenance on my 50 that I have on the 90. Just a thought. Any comments on the feasibility of this? Tell me why this wouldn't work.

Rob.

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01-22-2010 03:36 AM  8 years agoPost 2
tarzan_eb

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I hope someone is listening at Thunder Tiger
Please I would buy at least 1

Fly it ! Crash it ! Rebuild it ! Repeat as needed !! Everett

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01-22-2010 05:11 PM  8 years agoPost 3
Swoop

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I would have loved to have the same easy maintenance on my 50 that I have on the 90.
Other than removable bearing blocks, what exactly are you looking for? The plastic frame is what keeps weight and repair cost down. The aluminum would be too heavy, the carbon version to much $$. It is the simplicity of the current design that many like.

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01-22-2010 06:00 PM  8 years agoPost 4
tarzan_eb

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I don't see where TT has anyplace to go for a new heli now but a carbon fiber 50. A carbon fiber 50 with all the new upgrades they made on the titan Would be sweet.If you want to go the cheaper route then buy the plastic framed 50. I for one would like to have a CF 50 size Raptor. The price is not something people worry about to much,this hobby is all about spending money. There is nothing cheap about it. You are right
aluminum would be too heavy
and a waste of production,imo. I am looking at it from a great looking great flying heli point of view, after all I think a CF frame looks way better than plastic and is lighter.Yes it will cost more, but not as much as a CF 90 and TT sold a crap load of those. I for one own 2. I also own 2 50s but would probably own 2 CF 50s also if they would produce one. I think it would be a huge benefit for TT to produce one. I don't agree that the 50s TT has now are any more complicated or a hassle to work on than the 90s they are both a simple reliable design that works and flies awesome. But what now a RTF 90 I like the CF and have no desire to fly anything but Raptors. Just my take on it

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01-22-2010 06:03 PM  8 years agoPost 5
RappyTappy

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The R90 frame is much better than the R50 frame from the standpoint of rigidity and durability. I would assume a half decent engineer over there could make it light as well. But no biggie, plenty other fish in the sea right now.

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01-22-2010 08:18 PM  8 years agoPost 6
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at one time there was a carbon frame up grade for the raptor 30/50 called zero-g. apperently that didn't do to well, so it just fade away. notthing was wrong with it, it was just expensive. 0ver $300. the frame actually look very nice too. at a distance without the canopy mounted, i always have an impression the heli look like an AK-47 machine gun

if you like the idea of stacked frame like the raptor 90. have you though of the js frenzy 50. its basically a vibe copy with a raptor tail. you can put a titan se head on this frenzy an it will essentially fly like a raptor. it even uses raptor main gear.
so crash cost should be pretty cheap.

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01-22-2010 09:55 PM  8 years agoPost 7
jschenck

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Another heli that uses similar components to the Raptor is the ElyQ Vision. I own several and the main reason I bought them was for compatibility with my Raptor parts. The Vision competition is an all aluminum CF framed heli, uses a Raptor tail and main gear design. If I put a Raptor head on it we'd have a 120 swash'ed CF framed Raptor. As a matter of fact my Titan has a number of ElyQ parts in it now, the pinion (which is the same design as the Titan SE AFAIK) and the main gear/one-way assembly in my Titan are from my ElyQ spare parts bin. ElyQ is far from a perfect heli but they do have some iteresting parts that are interchangable with the Raptors.

btw if you want some solid rock hard dampers for your Raptor get a set of the ElyQ dampers. They may be too stiff, but for a few bucks may be worth trying. There are some other pars I like on the ElyQ for the Raptor such as the new competition's main one-way design with the incorperated radial bearing at the top. I haven't flown it yet but the design concept is nice. My Vision Ultimate one-way's lock up regularly so I hope this resolves that issue.

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01-22-2010 10:07 PM  8 years agoPost 8
RappyTappy

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I have a Xero-G Raptor - not flyable at the moment - and it was a marked improvement over the stock plastic frames. Took a beating, was much stiffer in flight and held up many times over where the stock plastic frames would've broken in a crash. Not only that, I cnc'd g-10 frames for it for less than $10 a set I just didn't like the ccpm servo arrangement completely. One day I'll get around to redesigning and cutting out a new frame.

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01-22-2010 10:20 PM  8 years agoPost 9
tarzan_eb

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Wasn't the zero G products eccpm? I would still want the single servo to control its own function.It is the simplistic design and function that makes the raptor so reliable and easy to set up. It would be so easy to just scale down the R90 frame to a 50 size chassis its almost silly that TT has not produced one. With computer technology it should be very easy to scale down the design for the whole project,even the molds for the parts.
Maybe a certain rep for TT will chime in here and tell us something that makes this project not worthy of production.
no biggie, plenty other fish in the sea right now.
Not for me I don't care if they dropped there price to $100 dollars for a kit, I would stay with Raptor just not interested in eccpm. That is what has put me off buying electrics,I like the simple mccpm mechanics. Just my .02

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01-23-2010 03:08 AM  8 years agoPost 10
David Blain

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Rob Faust-
Though you haven't interjected since your original post you have "tapped" into a lot of good quality points!

Thunder Tiger continues to compete in this industry with the Raptor line as a "Quality" Helicopter and though MCCPM (w/o starting a debate!), in the hands of the correct pilot w/ the correct set up it will twitch as hard as any other machine available on the market today.

I currently own a full line (30,50's,60's,90) and the MCCPM set up allows it to fly like it's on rails...
I have NOT had the chance yet to put the new SE through the paces but I believe it will do all it is built to do.
When you look at the Raptor through a Microscope is a "old school" machine (I can say this because I own them!), However this is also the same logic that has kept the Raptor line tried and true and pounding while other manufacturers failed and fell by the side!

In closing this is just my input, others may have different opinions but the Raptor line will live on for many years, sure we have to work around things "us pilots" want versus "what" TT produces but when the smoke settles the Raptor line will continue to survive and edge forward!!

Enough said for now!

David Blain
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01-23-2010 07:28 AM  8 years agoPost 11
Rob Faust

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just an idea
I just simply thought it was a neat idea. That's all. If they ever built it, I would definitely want to fly it. In actuality, I'm sure TT has already thought of this idea themselves; and for whatever engineering reasons determined it would not work.

Rob.

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01-25-2010 11:15 AM  8 years agoPost 12
IYKIST

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I do have a Raptor 50 with carbon frame.

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01-25-2010 03:45 PM  8 years agoPost 13
tarzan_eb

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IYKIST while that looks nice. If it is not a kit offered by TT it is not a true Raptor in the sense. Its a hybrid using raptor parts.
We are talking about a true TT CF 50 kit that everyone can purchase.
Just for informative info what does your CF hybrid weigh in at.
It is sweet looking. Makes me want TT to produce one even more now dang it

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02-05-2010 04:44 AM  8 years agoPost 14
AMA Outlaw

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IYKIST, what frame is that? Your own design? If so, that's good work!

Makes me wonder, what makes a Harley a Harley? Is a Harley Davidson still a Harley Davidson if you install a big inch S&S motor? What if you switched the Soft-tail frame for a Paughco hardtail frame? What if you keep the stock frame and motor and traded out all the other parts for chrome and billet ones? I think he still has a Raptor there.

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02-05-2010 08:26 PM  8 years agoPost 15
cd5

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I think instead of saying mccpm is old school, with the new sevos available, i think "ahead of its time" is more apt.

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