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01-21-2010 06:49 PM  8 years agoPost 41
hootowl

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That's on top of how they have forced countless companies to outsource.

I have to agree, we are our own worst enemy. All the jackasses that CAN afford to buy products and services that are more homegrown but because they are saving a couple of dollars don't, we have businesses and industries like Walmart doing really well at our expense.

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01-21-2010 07:34 PM  8 years agoPost 42
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I took a few minutes and checked out those links provided to show how bad WalMart is for America.

Totally bogus. The first link comes out of Berkly with no referances what so ever to back them up. It's not even a web site!

The other 2 web links shown look like liberal blogs to me set specifically to destroy an American non union company that employees thousands.

Once again. People are not forced to work at WalMart.

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01-21-2010 10:03 PM  8 years agoPost 43
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Some of you guys are delusional. You expect a place like Walmart to pay their employees
a fair living wage instead of making them live off from the government. (US)/ME
???

So why aren't all of you guys bashing home depot, sears, staples, blockbuster, office max, best buy, macys, stop and shop, etc ....? All of these places pay down around minimum wage, just like Walmart.

Walmart is a place to work as a second job, a kid who is just getting into the workplace, or a student using it as a part time job. If you're trying to find a job that's going to pay you enough to live on you're going to have a problem if all you can do is work a cash register or stock shelves.

What we should be doing is complaining about how easy it is for people to get aid from the government. I was at the the grocery store the other day and some lady and her friend had 3 grocery carts full of food, paid with about $250 in cash and $350 in food stamps. They go outside and pack it all into their Ford Excursion.

If these people want aid the only aid available to them should be some type of educational aid so they can go to school and get a real job and have a skill that will let them work somewhere that does pay enough to live on. Aid shouldn't be for someone working at a bottom level job that decided to have 50 kids and depend on welfare to pay for them.

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01-21-2010 10:20 PM  8 years agoPost 44
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So why aren't all of you guys bashing home depot, sears, staples, blockbuster, office max, best buy, macys, stop and shop, etc ....? All of these places pay down around minimum wage, just like Walmart
I worked at Lowes for two years and was making 14.00 per hour. This isnt the greatest in the world but I did consider it fair and I was able to haave a good living from it. I know WM dosent pay that or even close. Yes, all of the other places you listed does the same thing but I feel Wal-Mart just brought it to the next level.

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01-21-2010 10:27 PM  8 years agoPost 45
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I just had a TV repairman in to fix an SD card reader in my new plasma.
He's been in the business for over 30 years.
He told me Walmart was a major force in causing the TV manufacturers to have their hardware outsourced. He won't set foot in Walmart.

Walmart has so much marketing power that they use their shelf space as a hostage device against producers.

Walmart calls the price. If you can't meet it you lose the space to your competitor. My brother worked at a softdrink bottler. He said Walmart forced them to change their cans to remove a fraction of a penny out of each of the cans by using thinner aluminum. This was at the cost of the bottler to work out the production issues with the thinner weaker cans. They had to do it or lose the account.

Dennis...

Take a few more minutes and peruse the internet. Look up all you can about Walmart and it's cutthroat operation. There are thousands of hits on it.

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01-21-2010 10:40 PM  8 years agoPost 46
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AMEN EVOFLIGHT!

I worked at a Walmart Pharmacy for many years. The profession itself is rewarding, however what Walmart has done to the profession is an atrocity. Your $4 prescriptions are now bought in bulk from various drug manufacturers either in the US or Europe, and the chemicals components are then sent over to China to be pressed into tablets or made into capsules etc and sent back here to be sold to us, all in the name of low prices. Now there is little control over how these drugs are prepared and packaged overseas, not to mention the environmental impact of using tons of oil to produce the blue plastic blister packs containers they now come in.

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01-21-2010 10:42 PM  8 years agoPost 47
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He told me Walmart was a major force in causing the TV manufacturers to have their hardware outsourced. He won't set foot in Walmart.
Anecdotal at best. What American TV manufacturers sell anything at Walmart today? As a matter of fact, when was the last time you saw an American made TV? You think tat is Walmart's fault?
They had to do it or lose the account.
The point is, they had a choice. A vendor who cares about their product and employees won't accept Walmarts terms. That bottler could have said "No thanks". But, they didn't.

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01-21-2010 10:47 PM  8 years agoPost 48
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You guys are in denial. What the TV guy said has more merit than you want to believe. You must be a young one. Walmart's been around for a long long time. TV has only been around since the 40's.

You don't seem to understand. You have half of you income coming in from Walmart. You say no and your company goes bankrupt. Kind of communist-like don't ya think?

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01-21-2010 10:56 PM  8 years agoPost 49
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You must be a young one. Walmart's been around for a long long time. TV has only been around since the 40's.
Not that young. I remember when Walmart took pride in selling American made products.
You don't seem to understand.
To the contrary, I do understand. A company that my wife worked for put in a bid for Walmarts business. They decided that it wasn't worth it, and walked away from that potentially huge account.
You have half of you income coming in from Walmart. You say no and your company goes bankrupt. Kind of communist-like don't ya think?
If Walmart were the only store in the country, then it would be "communist-like". Fortunately, Walmart is not the only place they can sell their goods. There are plenty of retailers that won't squeeze them like Walmart does. It's their own fault for doing business with Walmart.

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01-21-2010 10:58 PM  8 years agoPost 50
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You guys are in denial. What the TV guy said has more merit than you want to believe. You must be a young one. Walmart's been around for a long long time. TV has only been around since the 40's.
No, what it means is he obviously lets the crap that you guys bought into influence what he thinks. The main reason for outsourcing is the U.S. is no longer in the place it used to be. Meaning that other countries are now starting to modernize. Other countries now have abilities to manufacture and have access to higher technologies than they have in the past.

Products and services that used to only be available in our country are now available in much less developed countries. No matter how you guys want to word it, a company is in business to make money/profit. Companies now have more options as to where they choose their suppliers.

Once upon a time we had no competition, now we have competition all over the world. Instead of doing something about it our country is full of complainers and expect companies to use products only made in the USA even though they cost 10 times the amount.

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01-22-2010 12:16 AM  8 years agoPost 51
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If a lad knew no better he would think some around here holds stock in WalWart.

The truth is the truth,if you want to swallow it or not.WalWart has ran so many small business out of the racket.That was their grand scam of things and they have all but achieved that.

Give some thought into WalWarts slave labor scam they run right here in America.They employ X amount of people,at X amount of hours to keep them below the full time have too give benefits window.

Now with WalWart being the lowest place in town to shop because they have run the majority out of business the poor folk that slaves for them has too give their money they already slaved for back too WalWart for clothes,groceries,etc,etc too survive.

Now that they've spent the most of their earnings at the exact location the held them slave for those earnings that makes labor at slave wages,don't you think.

Nothing more I would love too see than the people that are forced to work at WalWart Slave Labor Camps join as one and shove a union straight up WallyWorlds a$$.

That's why the UMWA was formed because of the exact antics WalWart displays today.The people will join some day and become one.Hopefully i'm still around too see it.

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01-22-2010 12:57 AM  8 years agoPost 52
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The truth is the truth,if you want to swallow it or not.WalWart has ran so many small business out of the racket.That was their grand scam of things and they have all but achieved that.
That's an objective of most businesses my friend. We've had a sandwich shop in town for about 20 years, a new one just opened. If they're successful eventually they'll take enough business from the other shop and they'll go out of business. That's how business works. Perhaps instead of complaining you should come up with an idea that can compete with a Walmart? I doubt it, it's much easier to complain.
Give some thought into WalWarts slave labor scam they run right here in America.They employ X amount of people,at X amount of hours to keep them below the full time have too give benefits window.
Hate to break it to you, but that's how many larger businesses work, and they'll even tell you this on an interview.

I'm assuming you also think any other business in the country that hires workers for a job that requires no skill and pays them near or at minimum wage are also practicing slave labor?

You obviously don't have a clue.

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01-22-2010 02:15 AM  8 years agoPost 53
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I tried to remain quiet....
One sure fire way to put Wal-Mart out of business would be to force a union as you suggest WillyS.

That's just what this country needs is another corporation overtaken by overpaid union workers who believe there "entitled" to more than a fair wage and benefits.

Jobs like Wal-Mart were never designed to support a growing family. Remember when cashiers and stock boy positions were for high school/college students, mothers who wanted a part-time job or people who wanted to work a second job for extra spending cash?? Just because someone needs more money than Wal-Mart pays... somehow that has become Wal-Marts burden to bear?? If someone can't find a better job than Wal-Mart and can't start a business.... I would say it's time for that person to do some real soul searching. You are ultimately responsible to take care of yourself and your family. If that means going back to school or moving to a new area where jobs are more plentiful, then so be it.

From my viewpoint... the unions have forced the major mfg companies to move overseas to be able to compete in the world market. Our country is so upside down in our views it's becoming pathetic.

Let's take a typical GM plant worker as an example....

When a GM mfg line worker can earn $60k+ per year and have the most absurd benefits package, but skilled workers make a fraction of that... we have a problem. Even most trained professionals like teachers, cops, EMT's make less per year with not nearly the benefits.

Have you ever watched any of the shows like "How It's Made" when they show the auto mfg assembly lines? Even a 5 year old could perform the job. For god sakes everything they do is by hand controlled automation from lifting seats and wheels to applying lug nuts. If you can push a button and guide the counterbalanced fixture from point "A" to point "B"... you to are qualified to be an assembly line worker.

For anyone who whines about Wal-Mart and the wages they pay (same as K-Mart, Staples, Lowes, ect) let's stop and look at the pay inequality union workers receive. Their the real reason jobs are going overseas.

I believe in a fair wage for fair work…. you should earn what your worth and not a penny more. Not what some bloated union "thinks" you're worth.

I happen to work for a union company (non-union mgmt) and it drives me crazy that all workers within the same title receive the same pay/benefits. In a union environment there is NO incentive to excel in your work since you’re all paid the same. And what really makes me nuts is when the union brethren come to me to complain about the shoddy work that “Joe Blow” performs and how their tired of fixing his mistakes. But when he is written-up or suspended they are the first to join the grievance bandwagon. Give me a freaking break already!

It used to be that there was a thing called “work ethic” that drove most people to do the very best job they could. That my friends died a long time ago in companies with the advent of unions.

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01-22-2010 02:49 AM  8 years agoPost 54
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Well said.

+1

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01-22-2010 03:13 AM  8 years agoPost 55
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dang Bubba, that is the second time I've read something you wrote and thought.... "thats' one smart mutha"!!!
Everything you said was true. I hate unions, would NEVER belong to one. I prefer to negotiate my own employment package.
The only people that should be working Wal-Mart, etc., are young people starting out and semi or fully retired folk. I'll admit I've applied to Lowes etc, because time are so tough, but if they hired me, I sure wouldn't be thinking of retiring there.
As I've said, it's RETAIL. Most of us have worked retail in our younger days and most of us realize it's a dead end, min. wage job. It's the only way for the retailer to stay competitive.

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01-22-2010 03:31 AM  8 years agoPost 56
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Well said Bubba:

From 1st hand experience:

I used to call on the GM grey Iron plant's in MI, OH, and IN. These "were" state of the art foundry's. Drove me nut's as I was being paid supervision / consultation rates including, per diem, air fares, motels, rental's including travel time to and from, and time to generate the inspection's and recommendations.

At that time, floor wage was $25.00 per hour for the entry level - pushing a broom, empting the waste can's or transfering paper work order's from one plant local to another -- that's it.

Two extended, break's in the morning, potty break, 45 min lunch then the same senero in the after noon to punch out at 4pm. But at 3.30 it's the regrouping time as switch over occurred. That was entry level wage over 15 years ago.

As I remember they had negotiated aprox : 22 day's paid holiday's, were allowed to bank their sick leave and had wonderful medical benifits and vacation policies. It was almost embarrassing.

When I entered the plant, I was not able to touch my crescent wrench, carry my canvase tool bag, or take any type of measurement with a tape measure without union trade assistance as a representative was shadowing me at all times's. Even opening a cardboard box required a trade specialist. Each time require a extended wait for the right personnel to show up.

I can still remember taking two day's to obtain a 6' step ladder just to get a measurement. It took 3 people to let me use that ladder for maybe a minute.

Good Bye all the GM Grey Iron Plant's - all out sourced - you can still see the blue buildings and empty lots along the highway's. Sad part these were the state of the art. You could actually wear a white shirt in them.

Yippi = now taxpayer - owner of Goverment motor's.

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01-22-2010 03:41 AM  8 years agoPost 57
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you don't know the half of it. One entire side of my family and their friends are GM, current or mostly retired. It has gotten worse, year by year. The stories they've told me about union abuse would curl your hair (well, not yours, but you get the point).
I remember a story about a guy that CUT GRASS at a Delphi plant and made almost 90k a year riding a mower (in Michigan - grass 5 months a year???).....I wonder why that door handle I need to replace cost 250 bucks....

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01-22-2010 04:05 AM  8 years agoPost 58
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And yet the title of this thread is "Wal-Mart Is Killing Off Our Economy"... how incredibly preposterous. Mindsets like that will continue to propel this country into the dark ages. It's always someone else's fault... we never stop to look in the mirror.

Just think for a moment that we were once the greatest industrialized nation in the world. Our own sense of entitlement and laziness has caused a revolution where we now rely on other countries to supply our goods.

And I know I'm pushing my luck with the flame suit protection but I have another good one for you....

When did it become acceptable for an employee to go out on FMLA for "stress"? And just how the heck did it become the employers burden? If your job causes you stress to the point of being a "medical condition"... maybe you're in the wrong line of work and should look for a new career! Grrrr


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01-22-2010 04:31 AM  8 years agoPost 59
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We want cheper, and cheaper things. Pretty soon you can buy a nice remote control car for $3.00 and it will run like hell for a minute, then catch on fire, and burn your house down.

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01-22-2010 09:51 AM  8 years agoPost 60
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From 1st hand experience:

I used to call on the GM grey Iron plant's in MI, OH, and IN. These "were" state of the art foundry's. Drove me nut's as I was being paid supervision / consultation rates including, per diem, air fares, motels, rental's including travel time to and from, and time to generate the inspection's and recommendations.

At that time, floor wage was $25.00 per hour for the entry level - pushing a broom, empting the waste can's or transfering paper work order's from one plant local to another -- that's it.

Two extended, break's in the morning, potty break, 45 min lunch then the same senero in the after noon to punch out at 4pm. But at 3.30 it's the regrouping time as switch over occurred. That was entry level wage over 15 years ago.

As I remember they had negotiated aprox : 22 day's paid holiday's, were allowed to bank their sick leave and had wonderful medical benifits and vacation policies. It was almost embarrassing.

When I entered the plant, I was not able to touch my crescent wrench, carry my canvase tool bag, or take any type of measurement with a tape measure without union trade assistance as a representative was shadowing me at all times's. Even opening a cardboard box required a trade specialist. Each time require a extended wait for the right personnel to show up.

I can still remember taking two day's to obtain a 6' step ladder just to get a measurement. It took 3 people to let me use that ladder for maybe a minute.

Good Bye all the GM Grey Iron Plant's - all out sourced - you can still see the blue buildings and empty lots along the highway's. Sad part these were the state of the art. You could actually wear a white shirt in them.

Yippi = now taxpayer - owner of Goverment motor's.
I'll keep this short. People, quit Union Bashing!! Ok, if your going to do it, please be specific to the union type.

Oh and let me tell ya, They will NEVER be able to take my Bulldozrs, trackhoes, Graders, Pipeline machines overseas. Nor will companies ever quit using the International Union of Operating Engineers. We are skilled Labor.

Yeah, try and take our bi-ways and highways away from us, see how well that woks for them.

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