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01-20-2010 07:11 AM  8 years agoPost 1
!2Old2Fly

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Okay, maybe I should move this to the beginners forum, but I'm more comfortable here.

Now that I have countless hours on the SIM, and some real air time, I'm taking a turn in my "training". I've finally proven to myself that I can get & keep a heli airborne, and fly circuits. They're not the best, but it's flying, and that's part of what I set out to do.

Then, the other day, I saw the video of Spencer flying his B400 in the gym. Nice, smooth controlled flight. All right in front of himself, and all very nicely controlled.

When I tried that, it was a complete flop.
I can FF through circuits, and on the sim, I can pull flips, and loops, and rolls. But when it came to trying any precision slow controlled flying, it was a mess.

So now, thanks to Spencer, I'm working hard on keeping the heli down in front of me, doing slow, controlled, smooth flight. Precision counts now. I have to admit, that it takes a lot more concentration than I thought. But I'm progressing great with it.

I'm still flying the FP, so I'm staying with that in the SIM as well. (although, my FP is fairly well modified, and really outperforms the SIM FP, it's still a better trade off than flying a 450 in the SIM, and a modified HBFP for real).

I just stay with the chant: "Slow & steady... I can do this". I try to get in at least 2 sim flights in the morning, and 2 at night. Real air time is at a premium at that moment, but I do manage to slip out every now & then.

I'm really getting to the point now where I'm starting to be able to pick a spot to land, and having a fair chance of actually hitting it!

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01-20-2010 09:26 AM  8 years agoPost 2
thrstrmech

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that's awesome, stay at the pace that you're comfortable at, don't over do it, practice, practice, practice, it's all good

converting over to the "Dark Side"...Trex 450 clone...HBK2 still #1

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01-20-2010 12:59 PM  8 years agoPost 3
DougsRC

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I just stay with the chant: "Slow & steady... I can do this".
You got the right attitude 2old. It takes us "older gents" alot longer than the young "whippersnappers" the key is to never give up IMO.

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01-20-2010 05:49 PM  8 years agoPost 4
!2Old2Fly

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Thanks for the encouragement guys, it really helps keep the morale up, and keep me working at it. I think if I'd have known it was this hard, I'm not sure I'd have started with helis. I'd have just stayed with fixed wing.
But I'm glad I started this. It's something that only a handful of pilots ever succeed at.

And hey Spencer! Dude, you're my role model at the moment.
I tried to duplicate your low & slow flying (the gym vid) on the sim with a Trex 450. If I'd have done that in real life, I'd have decapitated myself with the blades!

But hey, this is making me a better pilot.
I can scream around the sky, and look really cool. But low & slow is a definite challenge. Thanks!
It takes us "older gents" alot longer than the young "whippersnappers" the key is to never give up IMO.
Yea buddy, you got that right. lol
Seems like now what I used to learn in one try takes lots & lots of repeats!

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01-20-2010 06:10 PM  8 years agoPost 5
hbk2owner

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2old that means alot to me! you will get there soon. once you get it down there relaxing to do. just once you get your fff down just slow it down and just move slow.

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01-20-2010 09:35 PM  8 years agoPost 6
racin06

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Indianapolis, Indiana

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2old, you are going about things the correct way. It does take us older fellers longer versus the youngsters like Spencer. Though Spencer's helis are set up very well and that helps quite a bit. Who ever has been setting up Spencer's helis lately seem to know what they are doing .

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01-20-2010 09:43 PM  8 years agoPost 7
hbk2owner

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Jim you mean helping? Just jokeing. But Jim thanks for all the help at the fly-ins. It seems like every week or 2 when the helis come out of the closet to fly theres always something acting up.

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01-21-2010 08:02 AM  8 years agoPost 8
!2Old2Fly

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Spencer... It's one of those things that "sounds" a lot easier than it is! lol It was just that when I saw your vid, I thought, Man, that looks good. I need to work on my low speed skills. Right now, I'd be a very short lived hazard in a gym!
Good skills man!

Jim
I think I just needed to prove to myself "first" that I could get one in the air & keep it there, and then land it safely. Now that I have that down, I'm content to settle down and just work on massaging the skill set. I'm still over correcting like crazy, but it's getting better. I can actually look pretty creditable with the FP.
(but the 450 seems really slippery by comparison)

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01-21-2010 12:55 PM  8 years agoPost 9
hbk2owner

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I dont know if this will help you or not, But when i fly slow all i do keep it slow and stay easy on the sticks. just barely move the sticks to make it go forward. Then dont given as much aleron as you do rudder. you dont realy want to bank the heli. just a slight touch of Al then do the rest with rudder. Try that on the sim and see how that works. (Its kinda hard to exsplain.)

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01-21-2010 09:46 PM  8 years agoPost 10
!2Old2Fly

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yep, I got that technique down with the turning.
As strange as it sounds, what is giving me the most trouble with low speed is getting it "exactly" where I want it. Like trying to land on a particular spot.
I can steer it around nice & slow, and all seems under control, but as soon as I try to position it over a spot to land, it develops a mind of its own, and goes everywhere but where I want it to!
I'm probably just tensing up, and causing it myself. Hopefully it will work itself out.

I just wish I could get more stick time on the "real" FP.

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01-22-2010 01:51 AM  8 years agoPost 11
Heli Bob

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2old, you are going about things the correct way. It does take us older fellers longer versus the youngsters like Spencer. Though Spencer's helis are set up very well and that helps quite a bit. Who ever has been setting up Spencer's helis lately seem to know what they are doing .
that's all true Jim I'm not that young any more its a little harder to see the heli that fast and far.
Jim you mean helping? Just jocking. But Jim thanks for all the help at the fly-ins. It seems like every week or 2 when the helis come out of the closet to fly there's always something acting up.
(spencer his you're Master the jim vader)LOL

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01-22-2010 01:55 AM  8 years agoPost 12
hbk2owner

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I will never go to the DDDDAAAARRRKKKK SSSSSIIIIIDDDDEEE!!!!!

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01-22-2010 03:41 AM  8 years agoPost 13
tryan02

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hey I can fly slow too!!!!!!

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01-22-2010 05:21 AM  8 years agoPost 14
Liposition

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This time of year we do not have much daylight left at the end of the work day but I still want to fly. I do this by flying slow figure 8s, circles, and ovals in front of and close to me. I found this has really helped my flying skills.

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01-22-2010 08:43 AM  8 years agoPost 15
!2Old2Fly

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Tryan
Good flying there. I'm not brave enough to bring anything bigger than my 4#3 into the house. lol (okay, my CX2 when it was still a coax).

All I can say is the low & slow stuff takes a ton of concentration.
I do this by flying slow figure 8s, circles, and ovals in front of and close to me. I found this has really helped my flying skills.
That's basically what I'm doing now. It is really making a difference.
When I first started, I was in a hurry to get one in the air, and fly around. I didn't want to take the time on all this slow forward, and hovering. Now that I've got the FF down, it's time to work on the precision.

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01-22-2010 12:50 PM  8 years agoPost 16
fenderstrat

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in order to have precision,you need to be able to control the heli in ANY orientation.if you can maintain a CONTROLED SUSTAINED hover in all 4 upright orientations it will improve your flying dramatically.I spent an entire summer working on nothing but upright hovers and it paid off big time.

maybe this weekend I'll post a vid of what to practice and how it translates directly to FF

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01-22-2010 06:02 PM  8 years agoPost 17
tryan02

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2OLD is facing the fixed wing to rotary wing learning curve.

Its a different animal much easier to go back to planes than forward to heli's. A plane pulls itself through the air and landing is just a 2sec hover. Where you cant let a heli pull itself through the air you have to push it there.

You can fly behind a plane but you must always be ahead of a heli.

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01-22-2010 11:14 PM  8 years agoPost 18
hedgehog

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I guess I'm the opposite 2 old, Any FF I get is an accident. I have spent almost all my time on my real stuff trying to get a stable controlled hover. I'm almost afraid of FF. I can do FF even FFF on the sim, but its free when you crash. But I have never flown a fixed wing, or anything other than a heli. I get all kinds of FF, BF, Swf, and crashing with the 4g3 all while trying to get a stationary hover LOL....

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01-23-2010 12:05 AM  8 years agoPost 19
fenderstrat

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hedge hog and 2OLD....RELAX...seriously,tensing up makes things much harder,just try to stay as calm as you can.you can both do slow controled FF,just put your mind to it.once you get over your fear and get a little confidence,it will get easier.

take the heli up higher than you normaly would and give FF a try.small bits if you have to,and eventually they will get longer and more controled till you are doing circles and 8's.

if the weather cooperates,I'll do a vid this weekend

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01-23-2010 12:07 AM  8 years agoPost 20
hbk2owner

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he finder i got a video i can put up of fff. i will put it up for the guys.

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