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01-20-2010 12:29 PM  8 years agoPost 21
HybridHeli

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SUPER VIDEO!

Can he rename it to Align 3G instead of G3 because it will be almost impossile to find on youtube. I tried searching to spread the link but was confused as to why it will not show up.

Great flying also!

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01-20-2010 02:25 PM  8 years agoPost 22
danieldouville

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thanks for the video!!
i ordered one from http://asia.top-rc.net yesterday and i paid 335$ shipped for the trex600 FBL 3G with the600D blades. killer deal! check it out

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01-20-2010 04:11 PM  8 years agoPost 23
DWS6

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With the Align servo wheels you wont need subtrim either, just clock them around until you get it right. I have 0 on every servo using 8717's.

Dave Williams
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01-20-2010 04:19 PM  8 years agoPost 24
gorn

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The Align wheels are at an equal offset, not uneven like the Futaba horns.
Personally I was not able to use the Align horns with less than 20% subtrim on a few servos.
Me thinks you got lucky

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01-20-2010 04:28 PM  8 years agoPost 25
DWS6

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They are not equal offset. all 8 positions are different locations on 8717's and 620's. Both my 700 and 600 were this way using 3 different sets or servos.

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01-20-2010 04:33 PM  8 years agoPost 26
gorn

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hmmm, I couldnt even get mine close to correct.
Anyway, doesnt matter now I guess

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01-20-2010 05:14 PM  8 years agoPost 27
DWS6

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that is weird gorn, what servos? I know hitec's can be difficult at times.

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01-20-2010 06:17 PM  8 years agoPost 28
pnoy_helista

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WOW! it seems this Align 3G system is easy to setup . I bet even a caveman can do it.

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01-20-2010 06:28 PM  8 years agoPost 29
USNAviationjay

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we will find out.... I got one coming LOL!

If I can do it a caveman can!

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01-20-2010 06:29 PM  8 years agoPost 30
Mputu

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HybridHeli, you are correct... great video...

Fly hard, Land safe

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01-20-2010 07:41 PM  8 years agoPost 31
steph280

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I was also able to get my horn zeroed out by rotating the horns that came with the FBL unit. Each hole do have different offsets.

And just so you guys know, I am flying mine with some lowly Futaba 9252 that was already on the heli. It doesn't meet the minimum speed spec, but works perfectly fine even on 5v. By the way, the rudder channel is on a independent power circuit so you can feed high voltage to cyclic channels and 5v to rudder, and they will not interfere.

I think you can do whatever you want to remove interactions and level the swash, just have to go back to the DIR setup mode so the FBL system can re-sync with the new neutral point. I played around with subtrim and redid the DIR setup, it was fine. The heli flew perfect the first try with the recommended settings.

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01-21-2010 01:10 AM  8 years agoPost 32
panzlflyer

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I am using 8717s and had the Sk unit on mine was able to get the head level using linkage and no subtrims, just takes time and a levelling tool, buddies is the same, same servos and Align JR horns.
Makes it easy to change setups if the mechanics are all zero.

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01-21-2010 03:12 AM  8 years agoPost 33
steph280

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But in theory, a perfectly level swash is not necessary in a FBL system. If the swash had some interactions that made it tilt slightly, the FBL system will detect it as form of heli drifting, and issues command to compensate. The FBL system doesn't know or care where the swash is, it just detects the heli movements and compensate accordingly. So in theory if the servos are fast enough, you should never experience any heli drift as result of swash interactions.

Those swashplate levelers are going to be obsolete...

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01-21-2010 03:16 AM  8 years agoPost 34
gorn

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DWS6
My servos are ACE DS1015 (Thunder Tiger).
.10sec at 6v and 14.5kg.

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01-21-2010 03:28 AM  8 years agoPost 35
jongurley

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So if you can't use subtrims,,, , ,, even if the servos are slightly off with the arms on this is OK?,,, since you will never use the full movement of the servo,, do you guys understand what I am asking,,

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01-21-2010 08:01 AM  8 years agoPost 36
spdntckt

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I understand about the sub-trims, but what about the mixing at full positive and full negative collective. I *usually* have to put in a small amount of pit-> ail and pit -> ele mixing in the 14mz to get the servos to be perfectly level at mid / full / and min pitch. others use ATV to achieve the same result.

with VBAR this is very easy to do as well (similar to 14mz).. do i assume you cant or should not do this with align and just make sure things are square at mid stick?

i assume if the radio is sending anything but a pure signal that the FBL would interpret it as an interaction, no? the instructions are not very clear on this -> as others have said.

i just put some new BLS servos in the 700 (because they fly so nice on my logo.. figured i would do the same here).. want to make sure i have a square setup before 'comparing' to vbar

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01-21-2010 09:25 AM  8 years agoPost 37
Stolla

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I would guess at full pos andneg you should use atv to get swash level as with vbar where you use atv to get 100 percent values

Common sense may not be common after all

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01-21-2010 10:26 AM  8 years agoPost 38
MrMel

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But in theory, a perfectly level swash is not necessary in a FBL system. If the swash had some interactions that made it tilt slightly, the FBL system will detect it as form of heli drifting, and issues command to compensate. The FBL system doesn't know or care where the swash is, it just detects the heli movements and compensate accordingly. So in theory if the servos are fast enough, you should never experience any heli drift as result of swash interactions.

Those swashplate levelers are going to be obsolete...
in theory perhaps, but if you look at tolerance of what mems gyro can detect, you will see that this isnt the case

Sudden changes the gyro can correct but drifting a few meters in a punchout is the one thing they cant detect.

You HAVE to have a level swash at min/max to make it fly good

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01-21-2010 12:31 PM  8 years agoPost 39
dRaptor

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"So if you can't use subtrims, even if the servos are slightly off with the arms on this is OK?,,, since you will never use the full movement of the servo, do you guys understand what I am asking"
I have the same question. If I put all the subtrims at 0 the servos won't be a 90. Is this ok?

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01-21-2010 12:49 PM  8 years agoPost 40
DWS6

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But in theory, a perfectly level swash is not necessary in a FBL system. If the swash had some interactions that made it tilt slightly, the FBL system will detect it as form of heli drifting, and issues command to compensate. The FBL system doesn't know or care where the swash is, it just detects the heli movements and compensate accordingly. So in theory if the servos are fast enough, you should never experience any heli drift as result of swash interactions.

Those swashplate levelers are going to be obsolete...
Without turning this into another "how to set up a gyro" thread. This isnt the case with your tail on most gyros so I cant imagine that adding gyros to the swash would be any different. I think this is where most people will struggle because I personally have fixed a ton of tail problems through the years caused by poor gyro set up. These FBL systems dont seem to much different to me.
"So if you can't use subtrims, even if the servos are slightly off with the arms on this is OK?,,, since you will never use the full movement of the servo, do you guys understand what I am asking"
I have the same question. If I put all the subtrims at 0 the servos won't be a 90. Is this ok?
As an example, you dont use full rudder either. My opinion would be put subtrims at 0 and find arms that give you the ability to clock the wheels to get 90 and the right offset. Dont cut corners as it will only hurt your investment in the longrun.

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