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01-19-2010 02:01 PM  8 years agoPost 1
panzlflyer

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I see one of my worries may have disapeared, Align USA shows the units as being software upgradeable via a PC interface!!!

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01-19-2010 02:04 PM  8 years agoPost 2
fiordaliso

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That´s smart.
I am looking forward to hearing first user reports here on RR.

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01-19-2010 02:50 PM  8 years agoPost 3
DWS6

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Bert just released a setup video for those of you that want to see whats involved.

Watch at YouTube

Dave Williams
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01-19-2010 02:54 PM  8 years agoPost 4
hootowl

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Great job Bert!

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01-19-2010 02:56 PM  8 years agoPost 5
fiordaliso

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Great Video.

Thanks Bert!

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01-19-2010 08:20 PM  8 years agoPost 6
iHover

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Great video but it would have been nice to see two things.
1. the actual head install
I am wondering how the phasing is set, how should the follower be positioned.
2. The tail gyro setup
not everyone has setup a align gyro.

You had me at Hover

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01-19-2010 08:21 PM  8 years agoPost 7
raptor50luvver

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Does anyone know how you trim it in the hover,do you use the Tx stick trims to stop any wander like on a normal flybar setup.

Align dont seem to mention it.

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01-19-2010 08:49 PM  8 years agoPost 8
iHover

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As I understand it the gyros will compenstait for any drift. If its drifting then the gain is to low.

You had me at Hover

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01-19-2010 09:26 PM  8 years agoPost 9
panzlflyer

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Mine shipping from Esperit cost $409

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01-19-2010 09:58 PM  8 years agoPost 10
raptor50luvver

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What about dialling out interaction at full positive and full negative pitch on the swash?

I dont think the instructions are very clear.

I am familiar with fbl using the V bar but the attention to detail in the Align instructions is confusing.

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01-19-2010 10:07 PM  8 years agoPost 11
DWS6

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would think that has to do with mechanical setup prior to installing this. FBL is not designed to replace poor mech setup.

Dave Williams
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01-19-2010 10:42 PM  8 years agoPost 12
raptor50luvver

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What i mean is you have to replace the servo horns so you will need to subtrim them to get them level again from their previous positions and then there are always inconsistencies among servos so do you still use the atv function to get a level swash at the top and the bottom as you would with a flybar.

My point is the instructions dont go into much detail about getting the mechanical setup correct where as V bars do.

I have flown V bar helis for a year now and am well familiar with fbl requirements.

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01-19-2010 11:21 PM  8 years agoPost 13
iHover

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The manual is confusing on the mechanical setup. It says not to have any trim or subtrim in the radio (pg 7 item 3) . Later goes on to say that if you do add any you need to go through the setup again (pg 9 set 4). Step 3 says to adjust the neutral points but makes no mention of how to do this w/o subtrim.

Anyone know of a video showing the Mechanical or compleate setup?

You had me at Hover

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01-20-2010 01:09 AM  8 years agoPost 14
Futura SE

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A FBL machine does not need to be trimmed. It will automatically hover. It is a fly by wire control loop. The instant the machine is not level the FBL unit sensor tries to use the servos to bring back to level. The reason it would drift around or not hold a tight hover would be the gain is too low.

Just like a tail will wag back and forth on too high gain on a flybar'd machine a FBL machine that has too high gain on one cyclic or on both will shake back and forth just like you would expect. Same principle on both.

When I get mine I will do a 2 part YouTube video on setup. Might be a week or so though.

Norman Ross Jr.

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01-20-2010 01:17 AM  8 years agoPost 15
panzlflyer

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According to the manual I just read, level the head etc as normal, once you teach it the endpoints ect then you dont mess with it again or you will have to re teach it as it learns the sticks

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01-20-2010 02:22 AM  8 years agoPost 16
iHover

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Yes it does say to level the head and set the neutral positions just like you would with the normal setup. Normaly when putting the servo arm on they will not always be in the perfect position. I'm not sure how you adjust yours to get them perfectly neutral but I've always done this with the subtrim. If the arms are off slightly due to spline posion or what ever I have always used the sub trim to get them in the correct position. That said the instructions on pg 7 setup pre check say not to use any subtrim. "3. Subtrims on transmitter must be zeroed during the setup process and can be added during flight tuning" That I can understand The helitronix or sk 360 had something like that.
But later in the 3g manual in step 5 it says that adding subtrims later require initial setup to be performed again. I dont get it. If I cant use subtrim to get the servo arms to neutral ( which the manual indicates is critical) than how to I get them to neutral?

You had me at Hover

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01-20-2010 03:44 AM  8 years agoPost 17
Stolla

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I would guestimate you use subtrim first to get the swash level as with vbar. Doesn't make sense to start with a wrong setup and then do inflight tuning

Common sense may not be common after all

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01-20-2010 06:27 AM  8 years agoPost 18
raptor50luvver

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Thanks Guys,i thought i was just being stupid or something.

The instructions are really contradictory at best.

I hope to test fly mine this weekend but will use my own initiative on how i think it should be done.

I will use subtrim to level the horns when refitting them.

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01-20-2010 06:33 AM  8 years agoPost 19
duceduc

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I am sold! yeah.

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01-20-2010 08:59 AM  8 years agoPost 20
gorn

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Futaba servos, you use the 5 point star horns.
Ive yet to see a need for subtrim with those horns, as they have an offset thats different at all points.

JR, yep subtrim.
Hitec, some of them are programmable with the Hitec programmer.
So you change the potentiometers mid point properly.

Im using ACE DS1015 servos (takes Futaba horns), and I have zero subtrim, and 100/100 on all cyclic atv.
Checked with swash leveller at mid, top and bottom.
Perfect.

No Im not using the Align unit, have been messing around with an SJGD FS600.

For the love of the hobby

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