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01-17-2010 02:01 AM  8 years agoPost 1
Yug

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After years of experiance in being a human being, I have discovered that I am predominantly slow twitch, which is why I've never been able to play blindingly fast passages on the guitar, cello or drums; and, also explins why I used to need high gear ratios when cycle racing as a youngster. However, the thumbs seem to do OK in flying; yes I'm a thumber and not a pincher. Odly enough, I do have extremely fast reactions to catching things but have NO reflexes when the doctor gets her reflex hammer out.
This is all a bit contradictory to me so I'm interested to learn what views others have on the slow/fast twitch muscles in relation to flying.

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01-17-2010 02:05 AM  8 years agoPost 2
george0079

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Interesting. A little off topic, but still along the same lines..

I have no coordination in life. I can't hit a baseball if my life depended on it. Musical instruments?? Yeah, right...

But my thumbs seem to know exactly what to do, when they need to.

Hell... I can fix that.
Uh oh..
Nope.
It's ***ked!!!
RE-KIT!!!!!

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01-17-2010 02:07 AM  8 years agoPost 3
rotormonkey

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imho, your REACTIONS don't need to be fast to fly 3d. If you're good, you're one step ahead of the heli. You know what it's going to do before it does it, so you aren't reacting per se.

When it does something you DON'T expect is when you'll find you have problems

That's my take anyhow.

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01-17-2010 02:23 AM  8 years agoPost 4
DougsRC

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Unique topic to say the least Yug.
I used to play basketball in my younger days and studied the "Fast-twitch" vs. "slow switch" theories in order to gain some understanding to why some could jump higher than others.
Seemed to me you were born with it or not. I'm not sure it relates to RC heli's as much--- but it may. It may be related more to the brain than the muscles since the brain controls the muscles<--- not sure if muscles is spelled correctly, but I do know with repetition things become easier and effortless related to RC heli's.

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01-17-2010 02:38 AM  8 years agoPost 5
Yug

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There is no doubt that development of muscle memory is a necessity. However, your comment about the brain controlling the muscles is interesting when considering my own experiences of having no reflexes when tested with the doctors hammer. Reading into this suggests that reflexive muscle response bypasses the 'brain' so to speak, and is rather a responsive action that is not directly connected to the brain. Perhaps we inadvertently enjoy the benefits of 'spirit drives'.
I have allways likened flying a heli to playing a musical instrument; exacting, precise intuative control and so on but experience is currently suggesting there are some 'X' factor philisialogical principles involved.

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01-17-2010 02:40 AM  8 years agoPost 6
FlytilyaDrop

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I have been thinking about this for some time, kinda like a computer nerd computers come easy for them, i call well cordinated pilots heli nerds.
Some just need more time to do what others can do.

This hobby sucks, when your not flying.

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01-17-2010 03:25 AM  8 years agoPost 7
Spitfire1

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Im no expert, but I always thought fast twitch was more to do with something like benching 200kg once as a post to slow twitch the ability for the muscles to continue for a lot of reps as in marathon running, Im guessing 3d is more to do with hand eye coodination/reflexes than anything to do with fast or slow twitch muscles.

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01-17-2010 04:36 AM  8 years agoPost 8
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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I think fast twitch vs. slow twitch muscle fibers depends on the area of the body you examine. Even if your primary mover muscles (i.e. hamstrings, pectorals, etc) are primarily slow twitch, it doesn't preclude your forearms and hand muscles from being composed of more fast twitch fibers.

Really, does anyone ever get fatigue in their thumbs from flying hard 3D? I think it your brain more than anything which makes you a good pilot.

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01-17-2010 04:41 AM  8 years agoPost 9
David Blain

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Yug-
I tend to follow the "Keep the Brain" in gear thinking, Once I learned to 3D (sad as it is), I focused on one simple thing;
"Action -- Reaction"

Each move I put into the helicopter had to have a equal and opposite reaction, so if I tumble I need to input as much action in each direction (positive/negative)

Now after seeing the likes of Bert Kammerer, Bobby Watts that fly at our field...
some people just "twitch" better than others...

I can't compete...

I will just to focus on action-reaction thinking....

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01-17-2010 11:18 PM  8 years agoPost 10
QuantumPSI

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This is a very interesting thread and I have studied the muscle thing (for weight gain and athletic purposes) but alas, I have nothing substantial to say, so with that, I'll just say...

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01-17-2010 11:22 PM  8 years agoPost 11
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These helicopters sure can make the muscles in your Azz twitch pretty fast

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01-17-2010 11:27 PM  8 years agoPost 12
DougsRC

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However, your comment about the brain controlling the muscles is interesting when considering my own experiences of having no reflexes when tested with the doctors hammer. Reading into this suggests that reflexive muscle response bypasses the 'brain' so to speak, and is rather a responsive action that is not directly connected to the brain. Perhaps we inadvertently enjoy the benefits of 'spirit drives'.
I'm not sure "anything" can happen without the brain. Even with the kneejerk reaction or "reflex" with a hammer, when it comes to flying helis I think there is an intention of "will" that is beyond simple "reflex" and connected to the Brain pathways.

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01-18-2010 01:00 PM  8 years agoPost 13
Taipan

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Interesting. A little off topic, but still along the same lines..

I have no coordination in life. I can't hit a baseball if my life depended on it. Musical instruments?? Yeah, right...

But my thumbs seem to know exactly what to do, when they need to.
I'm the same, totally useless at any ball sport.

Flying didn't come natural to me either, had to practice for hours & hours to build up muscle memory like yug said.

Also forget pulling off a new maneuver within the first few goes, takes months, even years to do so.

That means there are naturals who can pull them off quickly, especially those who don't shave yet.

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01-18-2010 10:27 PM  8 years agoPost 14
Bundian

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Hmm very interesting thread.
I'm the complete opposite of Yug, I've always scored top in reflex tests in military school, did a lot of martial arts, and I can play guitar pretty faaast
However I apply the same thing on heli moves what I did on guitar solos , while learning a new move, do it as slow as possible to learn all about it, than you can start doing it as fast as possible, it comes natural after that.

So it makes me think if my reflexes help me more or the way i''m learning the new moves.

My bet would be it's more about learning everything about the move and how to get out of it in case of trouble than reflexes so it's more like "Keep the Brain in gear" than how fast I can bang on the sticks.

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01-18-2010 11:56 PM  8 years agoPost 15
Scott Anderson

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i've play guitar , bass and drums for 10 years. didn't play many sports as a kid...i raced motocross for a 12 years. i learned how to fly rc at the age of 6. started flyin helis about 5 years ago i think i fly really well but can't 3D that good at all. i can do some 3D but nothing as seen on tv lol

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