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01-11-2010 04:23 PM  8 years ago •• Post 1 ••
Alexm0324

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I read somewhere that ElyQ purchased and holds the patent for the floating flybar.

If this is true, they have either licensed it to Walkera or Walkera ripped it off blatantly on the #83 which is their new 450-ish sized nitro. Look it up on helidirect. You will see what I am talking about immediately.

Anxiously waiting for somebody to comment: "Walkera makes things that fly?"

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01-11-2010 04:40 PM  8 years agoPost 2
Callum

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I was going to post this aswell,

Seen some video of the Walkera 83 and could not beleave my eyes!..

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01-11-2010 04:40 PM  8 years agoPost 3
jschenck

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I doubt that - there are several helis that have floating flybars, Jokers being an example.

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01-11-2010 04:50 PM  8 years agoPost 4
Alexm0324

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It used to be documented on the ElyQ site. I found a few articles that verified it after a google search. The helis you mention might be slightly different or something, but ElyQ did buy a patent on a floating flybar system.

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01-11-2010 04:53 PM  8 years agoPost 5
jschenckrrProfessor - La Vista, NE. - My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Jokers have been around longer than the Visions

http://www.minicopter.de

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01-11-2010 04:56 PM  8 years agoPost 6
Callum

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Ely.Q have bought the floating flybar system patent it should be listed on there site, or on the web somewhere

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01-11-2010 05:05 PM  8 years agoPost 7
Alexm0324

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I'm not disputing who was around longer. ElyQ at one point stated on their site that they held a floating flybar patent. The Joker flybar looks a tad different than the ElyQ, The Walkera looks nearly identical.
Google "ElyQ floating flybar patent". You will find a few points out there supporting my post.

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01-11-2010 05:12 PM  8 years agoPost 8
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01-11-2010 05:26 PM  8 years agoPost 9
Callum

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OFFICIAL INFO FROM ELYQ:

Jan Henseleit obtained a patent in 2001 for Germany only. This patent was expired the following year and nobody has renewed this patent. ElyQ presently has a modified patent beginning on 2007/08/01 that applies internationally (application NO. UD2007A000004 international classification A63H) This has already been accepted by the patents office. ElyQ is the sole owner at present moment of this technology.

Should clear things up a bit

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01-11-2010 06:25 PM  8 years agoPost 10
Jag72

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Floating Flybar...
I'm guessing henseleit doesn't give a CRAP about having the patent for the flybar design

Flybars are OLD technology and will be obselete in the near future...anything henseleit these days is more than likely going to be flybarless....

I'd say WHO CARES about who holds the patent for an old and soon to be obslete technology

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01-11-2010 06:33 PM  8 years agoPost 11
nivlek

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I'd say WHO CARES about who holds the patent for an old and soon to be obslete technology
Flybars will never become obsolete - unless someone starts to distribute free electronic flybarless contollers !

At the end of the day , it gets dark .

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01-11-2010 07:05 PM  8 years agoPost 12
Jag72

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flybarless
I would disagree.....soon the cost of going flybarless is going to be the same as having a flybar with a gyro...and EVERYONE uses a tail gyro...only difference is that tail gyros are now single axis...soon they will all be 3 axis.

With the introduction of the new ALign 3g system flybarless will now become all out main stream...

Flybars will be gone soon enough...

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01-11-2010 07:14 PM  8 years agoPost 13
jschenck

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Nice design point on the Vision heads, they are both *very* easy to convert to flb.

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01-11-2010 09:06 PM  8 years agoPost 14
nivlek

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soon the cost of going flybarless is going to be the same as having a flybar with a gyro...and EVERYONE uses a tail gyro...only difference is that tail gyros are now single axis...soon they will all be 3 axis.
The flybarless unit requires an extra two sensors , one for each axis , so will therefore always cost more than just a gyro .
The sensors used in high end gyros are not cheap items , they will cost more than a couple of mixer arms , a flybar and paddles .

At the end of the day , it gets dark .

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01-11-2010 09:10 PM  8 years agoPost 15
Jag72

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Flybarless ...
The flybarless unit requires an extra two sensors , one for each axis , so will therefore always cost more than just a gyro .
As technology evolves cost always goes down...just like the world of Computers..look at the cost of the PC ...it is SO cheap compared to 5 or 10 years ago.....the actual cost of the 3 sensors is not all that much....

Align is already hitting the market with a 3 axis system that cost almost no more than a single axis Spartan.

Trust me...flybarless is going to replace the flybar...

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01-11-2010 09:16 PM  8 years agoPost 16
Alexm0324

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I'm working on a flybarless flybar. Next up is the Rotorless heli.

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01-11-2010 10:36 PM  8 years agoPost 17
oragami

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I am interested in the Rotorless Heli, Please send me specs. LOL

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01-12-2010 01:41 AM  8 years agoPost 18
Si_B

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Will depend on whether you want the extra electronics on your heli or not (more things to potentially fail ??). Never flown a flybarless head, but know a few who have and have come back to standard set-ups, didn't like the feel apparently.

Saw a vid on one of the forums of some blokes Simrok 90 going in due to a faulty mixer. Personally don't need the extra power or hassle, so my machines will not be converting in the near future.

I guess it will come down to personal taste.

Cheers,

Simon

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01-12-2010 03:24 AM  8 years agoPost 19
BobOD

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ElyQ presently has a modified patent beginning on 2007/08/01 that applies internationally (application NO. UD2007A000004 international classification A63H)
Is that an application or a granted patent? It doesn't seem to be published or anything.

Team POP Secret

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01-12-2010 03:53 AM  8 years agoPost 20
jschenck

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I haven't seen the Walkera #83 but I'm pretty sure the Walkera 4G3 I flew a year or two ago was a floating flybar. I don't remember the exact design but it seems to me it was similar to the competitions with an underslung flybar. I think there is some precedence to Walkera using the floating flybar design on their heli's. I think that having an enforceable patent on the floating flybar would be tough against any manufacture. Having a specific configuration maybe but trying to patent the whole concept almost sounds like trying to patent the whole concept of bell-hiller type mixing. maybe I'm wrong, just doesn't sound right.

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