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06-05-2012 12:47 PM  6 years agoPost 9181
OldNewbie

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I have been reading about the new CP2 and hard deck module. It does look pretty impressive. Althought it is only automatic above 50' I believe you can still use it as a bailout below 50' if you set it up on a switch. This should work great for Futaba radios since they have a momentary switch. (one more reason to make the switch to Futaba Sonny) The nice thing is it works in all orientations with the HD module. Without the HD module to use it for inverted flight you had to arm the unit, turn it off get the heli inverted and then turn it on. Once you wanted to get back to upright you had to turn it off again. Talk about a pita. It sounds like with the new HD unit you can turn it off below 50' and just use it as a bailout.

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06-05-2012 03:24 PM  6 years agoPost 9182
critter4ya

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His compass came with frame completed including motor pre mounted. And put the ground wire back on. Belt drive creates static electricity the ground eliminates it

Glenn

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06-05-2012 03:28 PM  6 years agoPost 9183
critter4ya

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You can ground like Steve does with copper tape both ends of booms and then just a wire in frame to motor. Have to remove some paint on boom ends for contact to boom though

Glenn

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06-05-2012 03:29 PM  6 years agoPost 9184
critter4ya

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Front tape I'm assuming he solders the wire to

Glenn

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06-05-2012 03:31 PM  6 years agoPost 9185
critter4ya

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The static messes with gyros

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06-05-2012 05:44 PM  6 years agoPost 9186
steve 01

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Wow Glenn was paying attention ! I have not grounded it yet, as for build time I thought it was slow for what I had to put together I had the servos in and out 3 times before I got it right and I had to take the motor out anyways to solder it Glenn so that wasnt a time saver,anyways it flies nice right now.
As far as the boom goes there is a screw on the tail case that digs into the boom pretty well already so to carry the ground the rest of the way to the motor you can put copper tape into the boom holder and leave a little sticking out to solder a wire onto then carry that to the motor mount or the negative battery wire I believe would be the correct place,going to the motor doesnt make much sence to me as the motor itself has no ground unless they attatch something to the - battery wire.

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06-05-2012 07:42 PM  6 years agoPost 9187
jdd1

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Without the HD module to use it for inverted flight you had to arm the unit, turn it off get the heli inverted and then turn it on. Once you wanted to get back to upright you had to turn it off again. Talk about a pita. It sounds like with the new HD unit you can turn it off below 50' and just use it as a bailout.
Hi Guys,

You have the switching for inverted flight and HD module almost correct.

If you have the HD module, it only functions or is used if a mode is selected that requires it. There are five modes that can be setup.

> No Flt. Mode/OFF is a switchable mode
> Level Flight is a switchable mode
> 3D Inverted Flight is a switchable mode
> Level in Hard Deck is a switchable mode
> Altitude Hold is a switchable mode

The auxalary channel on many radios have two position switches as with a DX7 and some have 3 position switches as with a DX8.

Most pilots assign one position as OFF and then choose one of the other modes for position two.

I can have my DX8 set as follows:

Position 1 = Level in Hard Deck
Position 2 = Off
Position 3 = any one of the following
> Altitude Hold or
> 3D Inverted Flight or
> Level Flight

Note: the hard deck (altimeter) module is only used with two of the modes.
> Altitude Hold or
> Level in Hard Deck

But the hard deck (altimeter) module is NOT used with the
> Level Flight or
> 3D Inverted Flight

If you choose to fly in the 3D Inverted Flight mode you can follow this procedure.
> Take off with CoPilot II turned off
> At any altitude you choose, you may place the helicopter inverted
> Then flip the switch to Inverted Flight mode. (This way CoPilot II knows for sure you wanted to enter 3D Inverted flight mode. This also prevents the pilot for inadvertently switching 3D flight mode ON while in level flight and CoPilot II rolling the helicopter inverted unexpectedly).

The helicopter can then be flown inverted with stabilization.

Now to come out of Inverted Flight simply place the helicopter in a position that has the main blades at a 60 degree angle and CoPilot II will complete the roll out placing the helicopter in a stabilized upright position. In effect CoPilot II switches from Inverted Flight mode to Level Flight mode without flipping a switch.

To exit Inverted Flight mode I usually roll the helicopter left or rights to level and return the stick to neutral and the helicopter is in Level Flight mode until I turn CoPilot II to the Off position.

If a pilot is just starting to learn to fly inverted and looses control/orientation causing the helicopter to tilt in a direction of 60 degrees or more the CoPilot II automatically roll the helicopter level. However, unlike being in the Hard Deck mode CoPilot II does not take complete control away from the pilot nor does it manage collective pitch.

Yes, Hard Deck mode can be use as a bail out mode below the hard deck.

Hope this helps with the understanding of CoPilot II's functions.
If I am unclear on any aspect please let me know.
Jack

Jack Doherty
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06-05-2012 07:51 PM  6 years agoPost 9188
steve 01

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Straight from a beta tester ! Doesnt get any better than that,thanks a lot for the clarification, so far I am the co pilot at our field but I think this may replace me LOL

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06-05-2012 08:25 PM  6 years agoPost 9189
MichiganFlyer

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Once I get mine you'll see more flying out of me at funflys.

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06-05-2012 09:06 PM  6 years agoPost 9190
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Why you will still have to fly the heli?

Carpe Diem!!!

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06-05-2012 09:34 PM  6 years agoPost 9191
steve 01

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I hope it works for you
whatever can make the learning curve faster is a good thing

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06-05-2012 09:50 PM  6 years agoPost 9192
MichiganFlyer

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Why you will still have to fly the heli?
True but crashing could be taken out of the equation.

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06-05-2012 09:57 PM  6 years agoPost 9193
sonnyhad

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That copilot system has a lot of wires, is it fbl? I only noticed 2 sensors.

Bald Pilots usually wear hats!

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06-05-2012 10:01 PM  6 years agoPost 9194
sonnyhad

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Crashing taken out of the equation? Somehow with my luck I could probably do it! Oh and they don't mention futaba so you're out of luck Brain! lol

Bald Pilots usually wear hats!

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06-05-2012 10:15 PM  6 years agoPost 9195
kc8qpu

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I doubt that crashing would be taken out of the equation. Besides one more electronic piece that could have a glitch or could go bad. Just do it the old fashioned way and fly high.

Carpe Diem!!!

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06-05-2012 11:11 PM  6 years agoPost 9196
steve 01

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He said glitch ing be must fly spectrum. Lol

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06-06-2012 12:29 AM  6 years agoPost 9197
JeffKollin

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Dont hate me for it STEVE...

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06-06-2012 01:09 AM  6 years agoPost 9198
steve 01

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what did you do Jeff ?

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06-06-2012 01:19 AM  6 years agoPost 9199
MichiganFlyer

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LMAO!

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06-06-2012 01:23 AM  6 years agoPost 9200
critter4ya

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Jeff, did you get an electric fbl heli?

Glenn

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