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01-23-2016 04:37 PM  31 months agoPost 20481
JeffKollin

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Jenison, MI

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I feel that if you are FAA registered that should over rule whether you are AMA or not.

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01-23-2016 08:41 PM  31 months agoPost 20482
BrianApp

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Grand Rapids, MI

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I think the only problem would be any land owners not wanting to get sued by an RC aircraft, flown from his property, crashing into a neighbors house. At WMRAF I guess an airplane could fly away into a neighbor's house but probably not a helicopter. I think a big sign saying "RC aircraft in operation, enter at your own risk" on the road to the field would take care of liability on the field property. A step further would be requiring everyone on the property during RC operations to sign a waiver of likability. I doubt a helicopter could ever get far enough away to cause any damage off the property.
I would drop AMA in a second if it wasn't a requirement everywhere I go.

Now if the AMA were truly interested in operating in the best interests of their members and not in it to extort as much money as they can from the RC community they could offer a three day membership to cover events and a seasonal, 8 month, membership for those of us in the north who don't fly in the winter. Forcing me, who doesn't' fly in Dec,Jan, Feb, or March or get the magazine, to pay the same as someone who get the magazine and lives in a location where flying 365 is practical is a big waste and rip off. I have called and asked about this and was pretty much told, no, and you have to buy whatever we choose to offer so why do we care?.

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01-23-2016 10:15 PM  31 months agoPost 20483
critter4ya

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grant, mi- USA

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Giving you guys the first opportunity. My agile 5.5 and my trex 550 are for sale. $1400 if you take both. Split on shipping if it's over $50

Glenn

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01-23-2016 10:17 PM  31 months agoPost 20484
critter4ya

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grant, mi- USA

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Will come ARF. Just need a futaba radio. Any extra parts I have for those will come with them

Glenn

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01-23-2016 11:00 PM  31 months agoPost 20485
RC Heli Mike

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Holland, Michigan. United States

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Getting out Glenn ? Or just changing direction ?

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01-23-2016 11:01 PM  31 months agoPost 20486
critter4ya

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Not sure yet

Glenn

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01-23-2016 11:01 PM  31 months agoPost 20487
critter4ya

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grant, mi- USA

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I'll still have my T Rex 700

Glenn

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01-23-2016 11:45 PM  31 months agoPost 20488
Bluedun

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Hopkins, MI

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The only thing that I'm thinking is it would be disappointing if the club was split due to the AMA and FAA crap.

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01-24-2016 04:07 AM  31 months agoPost 20489
BrianApp

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Grand Rapids, MI

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In the end, right now, it is just $5 every three years and 5 minutes with a sharpie.
I believe the AMA has positioned themselves as a requirement to RC flight and I look at the $75 as a tax on the hobby, they don't provide me any services.

You can't get too hung up on what the FAA does. They write their own rules, interpret them, or in some cases fail to do even that,, enforce them and adjudicate those who dare question them. They can require whatever they feel like above 1,200AGL, well I guess now they decided to take over 1,200 down to the ground now.
Once you accept the fact that they are self appointed gods over everything that flies you will get some peace.

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01-24-2016 02:00 PM  31 months agoPost 20490
OldNewbie

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Middleville, MI

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Even if the AMA had 10 times the membership they have I don't think they could have prevented this. Like you say the FAA makes their own rules and no one is going to stop them. After all this all about keeping us safe, right? Unfortunately most of the people in this country are more than willing to sacrifice liberty for "perceived" safety. I think it was Ben Franklin that said "A man willing to sacrifice liberty for security deserves neither". That mind set is all but none existent today.

At the end of the day I don't imagine this will have any real impact on our little club in Dorr unless we let it.

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01-24-2016 02:41 PM  31 months agoPost 20491
Bluedun

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Hopkins, MI

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"At the end of the day I don't imagine this will have any real impact on our little club in Dorr unless we let it."

Have you read the post about possibly starting a new field where AMA membership is not a requirement? I'm not for or against it I just like the mix of talented pilots I get to interact with every time I go out to the Dorr field

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01-24-2016 07:57 PM  31 months agoPost 20492
BrianApp

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Grand Rapids, MI

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The AMA was never going to stop this rule or one very similar. We all knew it was only a matter of time when you could buy and fly a drone the same day with no prior interest in the hobby.

What they should have done is
#1 Have a strong membership awareness campaign when the notice to proposed rule making process started. There is generally a period for public comment that can actually influence the rule. This is the kind of thing the AMA brags about doing.

#2 Tell the FAA they already have a membership database of thousands of hobbyists who are already required to put their identification number on all the covered aircraft they fly. Then forward that database to the FAA with the understanding that their members are exempt from the UAS program.

They did none of that.

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01-24-2016 10:45 PM  31 months agoPost 20493
OldNewbie

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Middleville, MI

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I saw the post regarding starting a new non-AMA field. It sounds good on the surface as an attempt to "stick it the AMA" but I think if people think logically and not emotionally it doesn't make much sense. In an effort to save $75 you'll need a few grand for a lawn tractor, a place to store it, benches etc.

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01-24-2016 11:54 PM  31 months agoPost 20494
steve 01

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Grand Rapids MI

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Brian ,there was a comment period the first time the faa started this ****, all they did is use the info gathered and made sure that there were no loopholes left.
As far as the rouge field, I'm with Jay , I'm not going to put the time and effort required to go fly somewhere else.

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01-25-2016 04:50 PM  31 months agoPost 20495
Bluedun

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Hopkins, MI

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That is good news, I mean I fly at my house (small heli) but the reason I want to go to the field is all of you guys out there.

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01-25-2016 09:30 PM  31 months agoPost 20496
OldNewbie

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Middleville, MI

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I'm glad to hear that Steve. I was afraid I was going to off load all my stuff and go back to golf

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01-25-2016 11:37 PM  31 months agoPost 20497
Bluedun

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Hopkins, MI

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"go back to golf" LOL...Now there is no need for that!

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01-26-2016 06:33 PM  31 months agoPost 20498
sonnyhad

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Holland,Mi

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I like the field we have just fine, we get shade and a little wind block. Most guys who visit our field also like it a lot!
You wanna go rogue, just go out to Mike's, that sob is about as rogue as you can get! LOL

Bald Pilots usually wear hats!

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01-29-2016 06:50 PM  31 months agoPost 20499
steve 01

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Grand Rapids MI

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Golf ? WTH ?

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01-30-2016 09:53 PM  31 months agoPost 20500
BrianApp

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Grand Rapids, MI

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Now that you mention it, Sunday looks like a good day to go golfing.

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