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01-13-2010 06:20 AM  8 years agoPost 61
Gearhead

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I guess it's only Global Warming in the summer

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01-13-2010 03:36 PM  8 years agoPost 62
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As you can see, global warming has truly had a positive effect on the size and area covered by ladies panties.

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01-13-2010 04:09 PM  8 years agoPost 63
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Its all crap. I talked to a marine biologist and she said that the plant life of the ocean soaks up more CO2 than all the man made CO2 that's produced. That's just the plant life of the ocean, now add that to all the plant life on land and it starts to become clear that maybe CO2 isn't the monster gas these people would have you believe.

My own theory is that this is just an excuse to create a carbon based trading system. So that when oil production peaks some time in the next half-century, the people who got in on the ground floor of this carbon ponzi scheme will be sitting pretty. Bastards!

"Some problems don't have solutions, only outcomes" --Isaac Asimov

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01-13-2010 04:11 PM  8 years agoPost 64
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This image is junk data

It is not the RAW data, it has ben modified in a patent deception.
The details of which is expansive and conclusive that a deception has occured.
Likewise for raw data from meteorological intititutions including our BOM in Australia.
The evidence of this deception is all there to see if anyone cares to look.
I downloaded the raw data from BOM and compared it to their "quality controlled" data and its junk data used to make junk graphs.
The original data tells another story.

The thing is about this Climate Change theory and the so called supportive data is the data is like a turd covered in chocloate
It looks yummy and the whole box full makes a nice present
But if you just take one out of the box and bite into it, you'll see its a turd
Orr rather taste the poop if you care to actually bite into one.

This is what you see when you look at the meteorological institutions in numerous countries.
Go to the back door at their sites and download the RAW data and graph it yourself.
Too easy, you then see the data does not show what the "quality controlled" data and graphs show a the front door in the Climate Change hall display cabinet.

Nobody seems to have taken any notice of this "quality control"
They just look at it and think in the analogy of.
"So they threw out the rotten apples and kept the good ones."
Wrong, they had a bag of apples they turned into apple juice with artifical flavour and color.
So when you see those snappy graphs people throw up on the net from what you would expect to be a reliable institutions, dont beleive everything you see.
Find out for yourself and get the raw weather data yourself.

Look at each quality control method to see precisely what control was done and how the data was changed.
And alo and behold therein you find the lies and deception.
The patent deceptions about the Argo and XBT to try to hide the fact the oceans have cooled for some decades now.
The result of which you are looking at in this graph above.
Junk graphs made from junk data.

And dont forget the data comes from instruments that dont tell you the climate is changing, they simply indicate some parameter.
The satelite measures surface area and not thickness and it is know the ice is thickening on some polar regions but they dont like to factor that in, the thinning surface area in some parts serves their theory and so they simply look at that and ignore all else.

And the land surface tempratuers they talk about trends of under 1 whole degree oveer the last century.
Yet no meteorlogical stations measure to under 1 degree accuracy until late in the last century and even then only to 0.3
(Modern BOM automated weather stations state a resolution of 0.3 error)

The WMO (world meterological organisation) states that all quality data stations used for climate change trends should have no less than 0.1 degree error, but none in Australia do better than 0.3

And then there was the time we converted from imperial to metric and went from Farenhiet to Celcuis but during the F days only mesured on whole degrees.
But whole degress for Celsuis would introduce and conversion error difference of greater than 0.1 C

The data is junk.
Wherever you look you only need to look elsehwere at the precision of intruments and the many reasons why the confident claims made by climate change scientists and meteorologists is in fact grasping straws at best.
Like using divining rods (two bits or wire) and pretending they have a high precision water detector that will locate water to the 0.001 of an inch.

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01-13-2010 04:12 PM  8 years agoPost 65
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Yes, it could.....Anyone seen a T Rex (not the heli) wandering about lately?

As far as "environmental scientists" vs physics...I'll still take physics every time....
physics
Bingo! so where all going to die in 2012! live it up and burn fuel and batt's

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01-13-2010 06:06 PM  8 years agoPost 66
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nice part of this conversation, is that we the people are discussing it. maybe we could get more people involved and get to the bottom of this , instead of the politicains

"always feel thankful..... never entitled"

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01-13-2010 06:59 PM  8 years agoPost 67
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Ok thats all nice but your forgetting 90% of the oceans reefs and plant life will die off if the temp. rises 2 degrees. Which they are expecting to happen in 5-10 years. They also expect the great berrier reef to be dead in 10 years. Thats the point were trying to make. The environment can't handle this fast of a change without mass extinctions. I'm sure the planet will go on without us, I don't doubt that for a second.

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01-13-2010 07:07 PM  8 years agoPost 68
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Ok thats all nice but your forgetting 90% of the oceans reefs and plant life will die off if the temp. rises 2 degrees
BWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Do you have any idea what it would take to increase the temp of all the water on the planet by 2 degrees???? To do it in a short time frame like the tree huggers are screaming about, you'd need something on the order of a solar disaster.

"Some problems don't have solutions, only outcomes" --Isaac Asimov

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01-13-2010 07:16 PM  8 years agoPost 69
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Like global warming and the melting of the ice caps perhaps?

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01-13-2010 07:40 PM  8 years agoPost 70
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Ok thats all nice but your forgetting 90% of the oceans reefs and plant life will die off if the temp. rises 2 degrees.
There is no factual basis for that conclusion.
Which they are expecting to happen in 5-10 years. They also expect the great berrier reef to be dead in 10 years.
Dire predictions based on scientists predictions (which happened to be wrong) and propagated by fear mongering control freaks.
Thats the point were trying to make.
It's a useless point considering that sediment run-off is the primary threat inshore reefs, not climate change. Also, the data you are basing your opinion on is outdated, as the great barrier reef has made a recovery since 2006, that has stunned marine scientists and biologists.

Diejenigen, die nicht lernen aus den Fehlern der Vergangenheit bestimmt sind, zu wiederholen.

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01-13-2010 08:03 PM  8 years agoPost 71
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Funny thing about life, it has this bad habit of adapting. The doomsayers have all these awesome scenarios but it is unlikely it will happen the way anyone says it will. There is even doubt starting to be cast on the meteor dinosaur extinction event now. Little nagging problems like how did so much life survive if the atmosphere was so full of dust and debris, blocking the sun for so long. It happened, but it will probably show that the meteor was only a part of a bigger environmental change. All that without mankind there to cause it. And life went on.

Obviously we have done things that have effects on the environment, I don't think a lot of rational people dispute that. It is the levels, and long term effects that are in dispute. Look at Chernobyl. They said that would be a Mad Max like desolate wasteland for hundreds of years. Yet, to see it today, it is a thriving land with tons of life.

Also, what is to say the temps we live in now are the most ideal? That is the problems with environmentalists, they don't understand that we may not be living in the best environment. Brutal winter kills tens of thousands more people and life than heat does. The last major climate shift allowed a significant portion of the earth to become more livable for us as well as other life. I'm not saying we should just go willy nilly and do what we want, but there needs to be reason and logic to how we proceed from this point.

That is probably not going to happen though, because environmentalism is approached with emotion, like religion. We all know how well things done in the name of religion turn out.

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01-13-2010 11:14 PM  8 years agoPost 72
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Ok thats all nice but your forgetting 90% of the oceans reefs and plant life will die off if the temp. rises 2 degrees. Which they are expecting to happen in 5-10 years. They also expect the great berrier reef to be dead in 10 years. Thats the point were trying to make. The environment can't handle this fast of a change without mass extinctions. I'm sure the planet will go on without us, I don't doubt that for a second.
You obviously dont own or care for a saltwater reeftank. Dont tell all of the various corals and clams in my tank that or I will have a mass extinction in my basement. My tank goes from around 78deg F in the a.m. and 80 to 81 deg F in the afternoon. All seem to be just happy.

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01-13-2010 11:33 PM  8 years agoPost 73
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as has happened in the past, it may be time for mother nature to thin out the population a bit.

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01-13-2010 11:41 PM  8 years agoPost 74
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as has happened in the past, it may be time for mother nature to thin out the population a bit.
Yeah, lets start with the loony environmentalists. Thin them out that is.

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01-13-2010 11:48 PM  8 years agoPost 75
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it will probably be non-discriminitory.

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01-14-2010 05:28 PM  8 years agoPost 76
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Your talking about domesticated aquarium coral. Sorry but that has almost nothing in common for wild coral. Your coral has been engineered and bread to withstand temp swings like that. Go try to get some wild coral and see how long it survives. LOL it won't even make it onto the boat.

Heres another sign of more animals migrating way north from where their supposed to be. This guy wandered all the way up from the glads to disney world.
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2010/ja.../news-breaking/

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01-14-2010 05:56 PM  8 years agoPost 77
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Your talking about domesticated aquarium coral. Sorry but that has almost nothing in common for wild coral. Your coral has been engineered and bread to withstand temp swings like that. Go try to get some wild coral and see how long it survives. LOL it won't even make it onto the boat.

Heres another sign of more animals migrating way north from where their supposed to be. This guy wandered all the way up from the glads to disney world.
I also have a reef tank, 80% of the coral (soft and hard) and all of my clams came from the caribbean. They survived getting broken off of the reef, the buckets in the boat, the tank farms on the island, packaging, the next day air trip on the plane in the cargo hold, the trip to the store, acclimation into the store display tank, packaging for the customer, the trip home to the customers tank, acclimation into the customers tank. 2 days later, most corals acclimate to their new conditions and thrive, some it takes a little longer and some a little less. How many temperature swings, salinity level changes do you think that these animals went through on their journey to ultimately end up in my tank and thrive?

Survival is acclimating to constantly changing conditions, any animal has a survival instinct, just as we do, you don't think that an entire reef is capable of acclimating to a temperature swing? ocean currents bring in constantly changing temperatures and salinity levels, they may be small changes, but they are changes. Mankinds first problem is that he tries to play god and decide whats best for everyone. Only the strongest survive, this has been going on for millions of years. There would also be other people having their eye on me for lunch, the outcome will be determined by the strongest survivor.

Before you spout off about something that you know nothing about, you may want to research before you make yourself look any worse. None of my coral, clams, or fish has been domesticated.

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01-14-2010 06:33 PM  8 years agoPost 78
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Heres another sign of more animals migrating way north from where their supposed to be. This guy wandered all the way up from the glads to disney world.
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2010/ja.../news-breaking/
That isn't "way north" environmentally. They migrated from a hot humid tropical environment to a slightly less hot humid temperate climate. Not a big shift temp wise. Now, if they migrated to Canada, that would be unsettling. Also, what is to say they migrated verses were introduced by humans because they got too big to be pets anymore? Maybe not the anaconda so much but the pythons perhaps?

Or maybe I should ask, what do you do to help minimize human impact on the planet? How big is you house? Are you off the grid and running solar, growing your own food, and driving a hybrid? Does you helicopter run off ethanol and angel kisses? Just wanting to make sure there isn't any Al Gore hypocracy. At least Ed Begley Jr lives by the word he speaks...

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01-14-2010 06:41 PM  8 years agoPost 79
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That illegal.

They were released in Miami a while back, FL is not like your state. We have 3 climate zones here. South Central and North. They are migrating north with their buddies the iguana's.

I have a 1 bedroom apt, I drive a honda civic, gave up heli flying, I grow some of my own food, I donate 20 hours a week to charitable environmental interest's. And you?

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01-14-2010 06:45 PM  8 years agoPost 80
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I contribute to global warming by farting a lot. I tried AlGore's advice by sticking a cork in my butt. But, it kept getting blown out.

Any advice?

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