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12-13-2009 08:38 PM  8 years ago •• Post 1 ••
MEDFLIGHT

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I've been away from helis for a while and looking to get back in. I've been doing some searching on flybarless systems but am still wondering what the advantages and disadvantages are. Basically I've found the pluses are quicker response and less parts count. Are these worth the added cost of the systems? What are the other +'s and -'s that I've missed? If this has been covered before please post a link. I've searched and really didn't find what I was looking for.

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12-13-2009 08:51 PM  8 years agoPost 2
Richardmid1

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The main ones in my experience is ease of flying for beginners and a more scale look to scale helis.

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12-13-2009 08:51 PM  8 years agoPost 3
ShuRugal

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quicker cyclics, no drag from the flybar, less weight in the head from flybar and mixing components, gyro-control on all axis for mad crazy stability. I have read a few posts people claiming they gain several minutes of flight time after going flybarless.

Of course, flybarless systems are mad expensive, and i have seen more threads than i can name on problems setting them up. Some only like to be used with certain, expensive, servos. Mechanical vibration has to be eliminated everywhere, mounting has to be very precise, etc etc. lots of work to set up.

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12-13-2009 08:52 PM  8 years agoPost 4
FlaG8r

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Another + for electric flybarless would be longer run times, more efficeint.

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12-13-2009 08:59 PM  8 years agoPost 5
Richardmid1

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Personally the expensive price outways the advantages. Ill wait for Aligns plug and play version to come out if it ever does.

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12-13-2009 11:06 PM  8 years agoPost 6
Leon Brodie

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This is a hobby and flybarless setups are COOL.
They improve the efficiency of a set up and fly awesome when proper and have total bling value. They are also completely NOT going to replace practice. If you want to fly better, burning nitro, packs or sim time will help more. Spending time fussing with gear on a bench may help, but is no substitute.

That said: The thing I LOVE about my FBL set ups is that they take away the brand specific variables of the head. With a little patience and an idea of what I like, a helicopter with vbar will fly how I want it to. The cheapest 50 size heli will flip and spin with the rest. The power increase from the reduction of drag will make you go HHHmmmmmmm... Case in point, my sickly T600e on 6s will flip and roll like a Nitro Knight when FBL. It still doesn't have the power and it can be bogged so hard that the whole ship will start to corkscrew, but if you manage the collective, the roll rate can be dialed up to spectacular. It can also be dialed down to nice and smooth. It doesn't give me new moves, but it makes the ones I have look better....

Is that worth $500.00? No. I would say not. I can quit any time. Really. When I tell people that the 90 I just got done flogging costs "about $500.00" and "it's actually easy, just a little practice" my wife pulls muscles rolling her eyes....

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12-14-2009 12:06 AM  8 years agoPost 7
Terrabit

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More power, quicker cyclic, more power, more stability, more versatility, lower parts count, more power, lower repair costs, cleaner install if you can forego the receiver, did I mention more power? Flybarless can also compensate for mechanical imperfections like sloppy servos and worn swashplates. Mine makes a pretty good cup of coffee too!

I just flew my flybarred T700. It struck me odd that I would have to adjust for a 15mph wind. I can practically fly my mini-vbar 450pro in 15mph wind without adjusting. It just goes where you tell it to. I haven't really begun to get my 700 dialed in yet but, what a dog compared to my vbar Logo600. I understand that the margin of improvement with nitro ships is higher than with electrics. You can bet that as soon as I can I will convert the 700 to flybarless. It will be my fourth flybarless machine.

One other thing, cyclic performance is NOT tied to headspeed. This has its advantages too.

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12-14-2009 12:38 AM  8 years agoPost 8
rotorG

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Many advantages as mentioned above. They are not that difficult to set up and if having problems there is lots of support on the forums that basically hold your hand and take you threw step by step. They take place of gyro and now reciever just have to add satellite. At one point a good gyro was 300 and reciever 100 there is 400 right there . It is the future and you will see less and less of flybar as time goes on.

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12-14-2009 01:07 AM  8 years agoPost 9
MEDFLIGHT

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Thanks for the replies guys. This is exactly what I was wanting to hear. If you can lose the rx and gyro that will cover a good chunk of the system from what I've seen. This is definitely something to look into.

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12-14-2009 03:48 AM  8 years agoPost 10
chopper_crazy

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Lately, I have been reading a lot into it. I think it would be cool to do flybarless on my Spectra G.

It's a complex, costly, glow powered anti-gravity machine!

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12-14-2009 04:52 AM  8 years agoPost 11
jbdww

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One thing I love about flybarless is the tun-ability. I can make my heli fly smooth and stable, but with a flip of a switch while it is flying I can make my heli fast and radical. I can tweak it to my likings with out having to by a bunch of paddles. I spend less time tweaking then I did switching hardware out to get what I like.

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12-14-2009 11:18 AM  8 years agoPost 12
Richardmid1

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A lot of people talk about a disconnected feel with the heli which is exactly what I experienced, not the sort of thing you want when you are 'on the deck wid it'! So that is one disadvantage if you are doing 3D on the deck. This may not be noticable with big sky 3D moves.

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12-14-2009 02:43 PM  8 years agoPost 13
VooDooX

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A lot of people talk about a disconnected feel with the heli which is exactly what I experienced
i didn't notice that on my logo so i dunno im sure theres a 30-50ms latency on the system maybe more but the human mind cant notice anything less then 60ms i read that in a study on computer game i play First person shooters alot and id be hard pressed to notice difference between 60ms and 30ms

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12-14-2009 02:53 PM  8 years agoPost 14
Frank Bostwick

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You still need your RX!

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12-14-2009 03:11 PM  8 years agoPost 15
Richardmid1

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Is that 30-50ms latency on top of the radio system latency? A DX7 has 22ms latency and that is not considered fast these days so 50ms is quite alot in this game.

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12-14-2009 03:44 PM  8 years agoPost 16
jbdww

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Different systems have different latency. It would be nice to see what this latency is with each system. I have four VBar systems and I never feel disconnected with any of them. I know you can change response time in the VBar, so maybe they are just setting them up wrong.

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12-14-2009 04:43 PM  8 years agoPost 17
VooDooX

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Is that 30-50ms latency on top of the radio system latency? A DX7 has 22ms latency and that is not considered fast these days so 50ms is quite alot in this game.
my point is humans cant really notice anything lesss then 60ms so its pointless to point out latency unless its more then that

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12-14-2009 05:58 PM  8 years agoPost 18
Terrabit

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You still need your RX!
The standard and mini vbar both will accomodate satelite receivers now. So, in the sense that the vbar unit must be slaved from a dedicated rx through a series of jumpers, you do NOT need a receiver.

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12-14-2009 10:04 PM  8 years agoPost 19
Elgreco

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Just to get this straight...
Even the regular V-bar can be used as an RX now if you plug in the satelites ?

I thought it was only the mini.
It opens up more options for me as I would like a regular unit since I would be installing in a nitro and I liked the idea of getting rid of the RX also...

Are any other systems now offer this feature ? Meaning to be used as RX's ?

What about the new Align ?

Sorry to hijack the thread..

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12-14-2009 10:19 PM  8 years agoPost 20
Terrabit

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That's correct. The standard vbar unit now accomodates satelite receivers. Go check out the specs!

I know very little about the Align unit. But I can say that they will need a dedicated setup and software support staff to launch effectively.

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