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10-20-2009 09:55 PM  8 years agoPost 21
Richardmid1

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You could give me a vbar and I wouldn't use it! I see why scale flyers would use it for the scale 'look' but it cant do any more than a flybared heli can. Its cheating for 3D flying, I had a go with a Outrage Velocity with a Vbar and just didn't feel connected to the heli like it wasn't me flying it! I did some constant flips without correcting anything, the heli drifted slowly but the drift didnt get any faster like it would with a flybared heli! The owner of the heli had made it lively for my style of flying aswell!

60% of the time, it works every time!

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10-20-2009 10:32 PM  8 years agoPost 22
Band1086

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Cheating for 3D? Wow, I used to fly with an old guy that said that same thing about heading hold gyros (do you use one of those?). As far as feeling connected, you have to dial it in to your personal feel. There are many parameters that can be adjusted to suit nearly everyone feel, if a person is willing to take the time to tweek it.
I'd be willing to bet Eden George your 'future 3D masters winner' will do it with FLYBARLESS!

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10-20-2009 10:36 PM  8 years agoPost 23
Riq

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Ideally, the perfect fbl system is perfecting any flight pattern. Whats to go wrong?

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10-20-2009 11:03 PM  8 years agoPost 24
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v4 is different than the older vbar and other fbl systems, its 'connected'. the connection is different, but the electronic lag is gone.

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I will agree a lot of people in this hobby spend their money stupidly...

fwiw to anyone trying to figure out how to finance this hobby, I have always bought my helis on overtime money, and occasionally on sales of investments....in 18 years of playing helis, I have NEVER been into debt for these or put them on credit.

during thin years, like this one, I just concentrate on flying what I got...a flybarred logo 600 this time...life is tough, I know.

This hobby isnt worth debt....flushing your money down a toilet would be wiser than buying these things on credit.

There is a difference between 'want' and 'need'...Would I want a vbar? If it could do things for me that were worth the difference...I could find a way to convince myself that 650.00 is not that bad, but I have over 4000 hours of sticktime...I don't really care what I fly anymore...I'm just a junky who likes a steady fix

Any of the helis mentioned by the OP are awesome machines stock as well.

Do I 'need' a vbar?....hell yeah, who doesnt? I also need a 35% extra 300, an Extremeflight 59" extra and some other things too hehe.

600.00 here and there adds up pretty damn fast though....I sat down once and figured what I have put into this hobby...I didnt want to know!

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10-20-2009 11:19 PM  8 years agoPost 25
Riq

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bah humbug.......4.0 made it easier to program, but over the long run, if you knew how to tweak ultra, to me its similar, just easier for the layman......yada, yada....

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10-20-2009 11:29 PM  8 years agoPost 26
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I have actually kept all my recipts. Including tools and extras I am up to around 4k with my x50 FBL. It is rather scary how expensive it is! I want to get into AP so it was important to keep reciepts for tax reasons. Honestly, if there wasn't a chance of making money at the end, I don't think I would be in the hobby.

unspelling the world one misprint at a time.

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10-20-2009 11:33 PM  8 years agoPost 27
Big Fil

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$600 dollars for a Vbar? Paid $475 for mine. I could argue that my second one was only $375 since you save around a $100 when you buy a Logo 600 with the Vbar electronics.

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10-20-2009 11:41 PM  8 years agoPost 28
Riq

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My first used was 600usd...

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10-21-2009 12:01 AM  8 years agoPost 29
Band1086

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Thanks guys for chiming in. You can't knock progress...or at
least you shouldn't.

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10-21-2009 12:22 AM  8 years agoPost 30
Riq

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Candy is candy..is it worth it after 12 vbars......hum..
Not really.....
Ive swapped between bars and not numerous times.....Its nice to not have the stuff to rpl in a crash, but thats not my mission.....

A well setup flybarfed machine is just as fast/solid as a vbar, its just not as trick.

I said it.....

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10-21-2009 12:26 AM  8 years agoPost 31
KC

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600....vbar + head.

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10-21-2009 12:29 AM  8 years agoPost 32
Riq

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flybarf vs barfless
That is the specific machine in dealing with now...I have had 3 vbar 600nsps, wittled down to 1, so Ive had experience.

I can make a 600n flybarred perform near a vbar, so that is a perfect example.

Its nice to tweak the settings, and I love my vbar logo 500, and 600 and 700 and 700e, but im just saying..............

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10-21-2009 12:32 AM  8 years agoPost 33
Big Fil

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Well hopefully more manufactures will offer the option of a FB or FBL head in the near future.

You could always sell your flybar'd head and recoup some of the cost of the head. That's what I did with the one heli I converted over from a FB.

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10-21-2009 02:06 AM  8 years agoPost 34
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I've got a FBL protos that I'm getting dialed in pretty good (VBar 4.0). It kinda does feel like cheating to me. It's like you can't screw anything up... you just flip it over and punch and you don't have to worry about ever making corrections. I did things on the first flight with it that I wouldn't try on my Vibe 50 or my "Virex".

My flybarred Vibe50/TRex 600E 12S hybrid (Virex) is still my fav heli to thrash with... the Protos is damned good as well. The Vibe 50 is awesome for the longer flights... with the 55HZ it'll likely be up there with the Virex but with double the flight time, though prolly never quite as fast or quick on cyclic.

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10-21-2009 03:59 AM  8 years agoPost 35
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My 2 cents, if I may.
I think my flybarless 50 with Vbar is the most fun heli I've flown so far. When it is all set up right, it should feel like your original heli except for being SO much more stable and predictable in the air. It tracks like it is on rails, and does not have a sense of falling out of the sky. So cool.

I also rave about the Vbar's tail axis gyro - it is so consistent even in wind. I do quite allot of pirouett[ing] maneuvers and I have a keen sense for whipping and inconstency.

_Sam B_

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10-21-2009 05:50 AM  8 years agoPost 36
Band1086

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Here Here Sam, that's what I'm talking about!!
Thanks for weighing in.

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10-21-2009 11:37 AM  8 years agoPost 37
Richardmid1

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It was the V4.0 Vbar I tried. I used to have a CSM gyro that you could change all sorts of parameters when connected to a PC but it was a pain of a pleasure! Heading hold gyros are almost essential for todays 3D flying, flybarless stabalisation systems aren't! If my son Eden wants to fly using a flybarless stabalisation system then thats fine, him and his buddies will be gob smacked at his dad flying without one, "wow daddy, how do you fly without a Vbar?"

60% of the time, it works every time!

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10-21-2009 03:17 PM  8 years agoPost 38
Jag72

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Flybarless
Whether or not anyone here wants to accept flybarless or not...it is the FUTURE of helis...

soon flybarred helis will go the way of the piezo gyros...some old timers will want to stick with old technology...but the younger generation will accept and embrace the technology....

I fly all flybarless helis now...call it cheating...but this hobby is about having fun..if you find it more enjoyable to fly flybarless then that's all that counts....for me flybarless allows me to get MORE flying in also...it is very windy on a regular basis here in Boston ...without flybarless stabilization I wouldn't fly HALF as much as I do...I usually end up flying in windy conditions only because I know the heli can handle it very well...with a flybar it just doesn't handle wind well.

That's one of the big reasons I like Flybarless...call it cheating...but who cares ..it's a hobby and I'm not out to impress anyone and prove my Masculinity because I fly with a flybar...LOL...

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10-21-2009 04:04 PM  8 years agoPost 39
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I don't think it is cheating. So basically CY is cheating? He used his Total G for F3C competition. CY is just one of the many pros using FBL systems. It is not about cheating...like Jag said it is about the sheer enjoyment of the hobby. I personally love the feel of FBL.

Alvin

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10-21-2009 04:16 PM  8 years agoPost 40
Richardmid1

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It wouldn't be cheating if everyone else in the competition was using flybarless. Its a much better feeling to know its all me doing the flying. When I want the heli to respond instantly or stop dead I dont want to have to turn on 'Pitch pumping' or whatever it is you have to do in the Vbar!

60% of the time, it works every time!

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