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10-23-2009 07:23 PM  8 years agoPost 681
STR8HUCKIN

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This is the best qoute ever!!
I think got as open as any one here and from the appearance of some of these post. I know I got the appropriate education.

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10-23-2009 07:36 PM  8 years agoPost 682
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Eternity goes against every law of nature. Everything in our known universe has a beginning and an end, or a birth, and a death. Therefor, the idea of an eternal God is not possible. That is, unless one accepts on faith alone that God exists.
The idea of eternity in anything is a mind boggling concept, but is it any less possible then the idea of an incredibily complex Universe springing into existence from nothing without something causing it.

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10-23-2009 07:44 PM  8 years agoPost 683
STR8HUCKIN

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You are really hung up on that complex universe thing aren't you?

LOL

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10-23-2009 07:55 PM  8 years agoPost 684
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You are really hung up on that complex universe thing aren't you?
I am not hung up on it at all, I have just researched it enough to know that it is a real concept that can't be explained away by skeptics.

By the way, thanks for bringing to my attention some of my grammar mistakes. I have already corrected it. I am also not immune from making more of them, especially when I am posting messages at 3:45 in the morning.

But at least it shows you are paying attention.

If you look back you can probably find lots of mistakes that I make.

By way of review, here is a one of yours.
Again your just assuming this and when you assume something you make an Ass out of, well you get the point.
The word "your" should be you're or you are, but not your!

It is the same as this quote you made. You are really hung up on that complex universe thing

No big deal, we all sometimes make mistakes when writing.

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10-23-2009 08:27 PM  8 years agoPost 685
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""I am not hung up on it at all, I have just researched it enough to know that it is a real concept that can't be explained away by skeptics""

yes,, and every thing you have researched has been written by man,, so therefor it could be untrue as much as it could be truth !!

Jim
Buzz Buzz Buzz

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10-23-2009 08:38 PM  8 years agoPost 686
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The idea of eternity in anything is a mind boggling concept, but is it any less possible then the idea of an incredibily complex Universe springing into existence from nothing without something causing it.
Early in this thread, I already said:
The theory of intelligent design makes more sense than the theory of everything was created from nothing.
But, you are claiming that God is eternal.

There is no way to know that God is eternal, and according to the known laws of our universe, eternal is an impossibility. So far, science can explain away most religious stories, anecdotes and superstitions. But, religion cannot explain away opposing scientific facts. Science will find more answers, and find new questions as time passes. Religion will never do that, and neither will faith in any religion.

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10-23-2009 09:21 PM  8 years agoPost 687
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Of course there is no way for a finite human to know that God is eternal, there is also no way to know that he is not eternal either.

Kind of like saying there is no way to know that God exist or does not exist, that is until he someday makes himself prominently known to the world again.

However, I personally think the logical conclusion is that God does exist. If indeed he does exit, the only logical conclusion is that he is eternal. Add to that, the Bible also says that he is eternal.

However, please explain to me how "according to the known laws of our universe, eternal is an impossibility."

The known laws of the universe deal with physical manifestations of matter and energy. The Bible describes God as a spirit, therefore what known laws of the universe says that eternity is impossible when dealing with a spirit?????

Again, this is a straw man argument because it still does not explain how something comes from nothing.
But, religion cannot explain away opposing scientific facts.
I suppose that would be determine by whether each person's particular religion opposes Scientific fact. Evolution for one is not a scientific fact! It is a scientific theory, that is why it is call the "theory of evolution."

Perhaps I should try my hand at German like you and skidmark, or excuse me, landingskids!

Wie der Song geht, nichts aus dem Nichts überläßt nichts!

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10-23-2009 09:56 PM  8 years agoPost 688
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Evolution for one is not a scientific fact! It is a scientific theory, that is why it is call the "theory of evolution."
I have faith that science will continue to increase our understanding of well, everything. As science advances, I'm sure that the missing details in the theory of evolution, will indeed make it a scientific fact.

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10-23-2009 10:04 PM  8 years agoPost 689
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Evolution for one is not a scientific fact! It is a scientific theory, that is why it is call the "theory of evolution."
It is now accepted among the wider scientific community that the Theory of Evolution is indeed fact. That does not include the community of religious pseudo science.

"Theory" as defined - 1: a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of circumstances to explain a specific set of phenomena; "theories can incorporate facts and laws and tested hypotheses"; "true in fact and theory"

Not as you would interperet "Theory" - 2: a tentative theory about the natural world; a concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomena

It is time for Theory to be dropped from the name. Perhaps Darwin's Evolution would be better suited.

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10-23-2009 10:38 PM  8 years agoPost 690
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Sorry, I do not agree, there is still a lot of debate about evolution, just recently in the news I saw a report about the retraction of certain evolutionary beliefs.

Just because a majority or minority of people consider something so does not make it true unless it has been proven unequivocally and evolution has not been proven unequivocally.

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10-23-2009 10:45 PM  8 years agoPost 691
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Just because a majority or minority of people consider something so does not make it true unless it has been proven unequivocally and evolution has not been proven unequivocally.
No theories of gravity have been proved either. Yet, there it is!

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10-23-2009 11:23 PM  8 years agoPost 692
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Kind of like saying there is no way to know that God exist or does not exist, that is until he someday makes himself prominently known to the world again.
Not only that, but it would also 100% weed out who is truly 'Good' and who is truly 'Evil duoers'! Remember that there are two invisible opposing forces at work(God and Satan).

If God is eternal, that would mean Satan is eternal as well, since the concept of 'Free Will' wouldn't work without the influence of Satan. So with that being said, we can say that one cannot exists without the other, because you can either only be good or bad, but not both.

The issue i'm having with this is according to the Bible, Satan is a fallen angel who turned his back to God--Satan is the source of all evil in this universe. Did this mean that Evil did not exists before Satan? But how would that be possible for Satan to become evil, if all that ever existed was 'Good'. Because God is creator of everything, Evil would not have existed without God. Therefore, the only way for Evil to exists is if God created Evil himself. Or we can say that God can be in two states, Good or Evil.

But that wouldn't make sense, since there is no Good that can come out of Evil, and no Evil can come out of Good. Therefore, these two invisible forces either both existed with out cause since the start of the Universe, or there is a 'Higher God' that created the two. But then again we would have to again bring up the question, is this 'Higher God' good or evil? The only logical answer to this would be that this 'Higher God' would have to be neutral.

So if this 'Higher God' existed, one can only question, do we really need God? Or does he even care if we believe in him or not?

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10-23-2009 11:35 PM  8 years agoPost 693
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is it possible that there is an extraterestrial connection?

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10-23-2009 11:43 PM  8 years agoPost 694
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No theories of gravity have been proved either. Yet, there it is!
Earth to 1stPlace, if you jump out of a plane you will fall!!!!! (I want call you by a different name again), but what do you mean there are NO theories of gravity that have been proven.

Maybe there are no "theories" but there certainly are laws of gravity that have been proven by both Newton and Einstein. Maybe you were just joking right

However, who is this according too:
God is eternal, that would mean Satan is eternal as well, since the concept of 'Free Will' wouldn't work without the influence of Satan. So with that being said, we can say that one cannot exists without the other, because you can either only be good or bad, but not both
Please explain why the concept of Free Will would not work without the influence of Satan.

Furthermore please explain why you can only be Good or Bad, this should really be interesting.

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10-24-2009 12:01 AM  8 years agoPost 695
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Please explain why the concept of Free Will would not work without the influence of Satan.
In the Book of Genesis, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil or the tree of knowledge (and occasionally translated as the tree of conscience, Hebrew: עֵץ הַדַּעַת טוֹב וָרָע, Etz haDaat tov V'ra) was a tree in the middle of the Garden of Eden (Genesis 2:9) from which God directly forbade Adam (Eve having not yet been created) to eat (Genesis 2:17). A serpent later tempted Eve, who was aware of the prohibition, to eat the forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge (Genesis 3:1-6). Adam also ate, and they became aware of their nakedness (Genesis 3:6-7). After this, in order to deny them access to the tree of life (and, hence, immortality), they were banished from the garden and forced to survive through agriculture "by the sweat of [their] brow" (Genesis 3:19-24). A similar story is mentioned in the Qur'an, the holy book of Islam.

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Hmm maybe we should take this story out of the Bible. Doesn't seem to be in favor of the cause.
Furthermore please explain why you can only be Good or Bad, this should really be interesting.
After life there is Heaven or Hell. Of course nowadays, a Serial killer, rapists, Child molestor all they have to do is read the bible and be one with God, and they go to heaven.

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10-24-2009 12:04 AM  8 years agoPost 696
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but what do you mean there are NO theories of gravity that have been proven.
Gravity is a law of physics. But, no one can explain what gravity is. We know what it does. We just don't know how it does it. There are lots of theories about what gravity is. But, so far, they all fall short of proving what gravity is.

Maybe I will find God, Satan, or maybe just a spirit tonight during my Hell on Earth experience!

Catch y'all when I get home... Hopefully!

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10-24-2009 12:08 AM  8 years agoPost 697
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1st Place

Remember to bring a cross, holy water, and the bible. That will protect you.

Just in case carry some garlic, and a gun with a silver bullet.

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10-24-2009 12:16 AM  8 years agoPost 698
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Thanks for the advice bro! I'll make sure we bring all of the above.

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10-24-2009 12:21 AM  8 years agoPost 699
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is it possible that there is an extraterestrial connection
I think by definition God is, as he is not of this world.

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10-24-2009 12:27 AM  8 years agoPost 700
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skid mark to last place

Maybe I am wrong but you almost seem to be contradicting yourself.

You stated "No theories of gravity have been proved either. Yet, there it is!"

We might not understand exactly what gravity is but that does not mean that any theories of gravity have not been proven!!!!

You then stated: Gravity is a law of physics. But, no one can explain what gravity is. We know what it does. We just don't know how it does it. There are lots of theories about what gravity is. But, so far, they all fall short of proving what gravity is.

There is a difference between knowing what gravity is and knowing about what it does. If gravity is a law then it is no longer considered an
unproven theory.

By the way, you may be a really nice guy so don't let my last place remark bother you. You can continue calling me skidmark if you like. It is only an internet name anyway.

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