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04-11-2010 06:34 AM  8 years agoPost 181
bigbadflyer

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As much as I am a great fan of Hobbycity I agree with Ben on this one.
Its a clone of the Align one but with what you are building and the time and effort put in it would be a shame to have an crash because of a $30 saving. I would rather put in an original 2 in 1.

Cheye

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04-11-2010 06:42 AM  8 years agoPost 182
GimbalFan (RIP)

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It would break all of our collective hearts for you to lose that largely irreplaceable model from a silly ESC failure.
Agreed.

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04-11-2010 04:22 PM  8 years agoPost 183
dkshema

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I've removed the covers from the regulator, inspected it,and frankly the workmanship looks very good. Probably the only thing I'd change in it is I'd swap out the PVC-insulated wires in favor of some teflon-insulated stuff. But I'd want to do that to the Align version, too.

It's odd to see people recommending the Align 2 N 1 over the HK version because the Align version is reliable. You guys must not read all the posts over in Align land, if you did, you'd be telling me to ditch the 2 N 1 and buy a "good" regulator.

I have three of the 2 N 1's they have treated me quite well.

Yes, I'm aware of the risk (HK OR Align). I'll be testing out the regulator extensively on the ground before ever risking the heli in the air, that's a given.

I was going to post some pictures of the finished canopy, but my wife has the camera and right now, she is winging her way back to Cedar Rapids after about a week in California on business.

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04-12-2010 02:13 AM  8 years agoPost 184
GimbalFan (RIP)

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I'll be testing out the regulator extensively on the ground before ever risking the heli in the air
Good to hear, and of course no surprise.

Nonetheless you're a braver man than I.

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04-12-2010 02:26 AM  8 years agoPost 185
dkshema

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I figure either it works, or it doesn't. I didn't see anything scary inside the covers, and the parts were from manufacturers whom I trust.

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04-12-2010 02:55 AM  8 years agoPost 186
Dr.Ben

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I dunno Dave..................

This might be one case where a boring ole 2400 mah NiCd and a switch would be fitting. Sorta consistent with the time of the model, if you will.

Ben

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04-12-2010 03:04 AM  8 years agoPost 187
dkshema

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Yes, I have both...battery and switch, but that built-in glow driver of the 2 N 1 is suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrreeee nice and convenient.

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04-12-2010 03:39 AM  8 years agoPost 188
Dr.Ben

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Yeah, yeah...........

Ben

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04-12-2010 05:58 AM  8 years agoPost 189
fla heli boy

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old skewl is the best skewl.....break out the glow driver!!!

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04-12-2010 08:16 PM  8 years agoPost 190
dkshema

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How old is old, if we go down that road? My first Superior had no gyro. Should I remove the GY401?

My old Superior flew on a Century VII transmitter, an NER-327X FM receiver, and had something like NES-507 servos in it all the way around. All that was powered by a 500 or 600 mah NiCad battery pack.

Do I take out the AR7000 and DS8231 servos, too? The DS811 throttle servo?

I'll make sure the power supply is decent, I don't want to crash this baby any more than any one else might....

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05-09-2010 09:06 PM  8 years agoPost 191
dkshema

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Almooooooooooooooooosssssst ready to fly...

Just waiting for a cooling shroud extension from Kirk Nelson at Vintage Heliparts to arrive, and this baby is ready to break in the OS 61 ABC and see if it will go airborne.

Then, 1984, and now, 2010. 26 years of evolution, side by side.

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05-09-2010 09:19 PM  8 years agoPost 192
Brokenlink

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Oakdale

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This has to make the experience with that heli soooooo much nicer now,with all what has developed since that time.Maks me want to find another JR 50.That was a love hate relationship there!!

Jamie Griffith

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05-10-2010 04:04 AM  8 years agoPost 193
alvinrc

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Mobile, AL, USA

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O what fond memories.
I hope for you, many enjoyable flights on that fine vintage machine.

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05-10-2010 04:18 AM  8 years agoPost 194
VooDooX

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nice dk that is an awesome build very impressed with your skills i will be there someday

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05-17-2010 05:17 AM  8 years agoPost 195
dkshema

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Build...

...Finished.

I got the cooling shroud extension installed this evening. There isn't much else to do to this bird except see if that OS 61 ABC runs, break it in a bit, and see if the old Superior takes to the air...

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05-17-2010 08:55 AM  8 years agoPost 196
bigbadflyer

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I just want to say thanks for sharing this with us.

I have loved the build report of this old classic and like most of the people that are following I cant wait to hear what it flies like.

Good luck with the first flight

Cheye

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05-17-2010 12:55 PM  8 years agoPost 197
Four Stroker

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dkshema, How much did the Superior weigh all total and ready to fly ? I think mine was about 11 1/2 to 12 pounds.

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05-17-2010 01:00 PM  8 years agoPost 198
dkshema

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FS - I haven't weighed it yet, but as I recall, 11-12 pounds was a typical range for the Superior. I'll weight it and let you know.

As I get out to fire up the motor and get airborne, I'll get some pics of it in the air. Maybe even a short movie or two. Movies depend on one of my flying buddies bringing his camera.

Weather (and job) permitting, that OS61 could spring to life this evening.

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05-17-2010 01:14 PM  8 years agoPost 199
whbell

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Consider me on call Dave. Looks like rain tonight but if there is an opening just give me a call, anytime.

Gravity is what makes flying so much fun!

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05-18-2010 05:45 AM  8 years agoPost 200
dkshema

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IT's ALIIIIIIIIIIIIVVVVE.

The Schluter Superior had its maiden voyage tonight. The weather after work was decent, a bit gusty -- perhaps 10-15 mph out of the East, but sunny and warm.

As our runway runs North and South, and the pilot stations face East, the wind was in my face.

I filled the tank, bolted on the main rotor blades, and mentally wondered if there were any bolts I had forgotten to tighten over the past eight months of building.

I turned the radio on, turned on the glow-ignitor, and proceeded to see if that old OS 61 SFN-H ABC would run. After much anticipation, the answer was NO, it wasn't going to run. It wasn't even ready to go "pop" once or twice.

I retreated from the pilot station back to a picnic table in the pit area, and proceeded to try to remove the idle needle from the Supertiger carb. It wasn't easy. The needle was fully bottomed out, and the set screw for the throttle arm distorted the recess where the idle needle sits. After removing the throttle arm and that despicable set screw, I got the needle out, cleaned it all up, lubed the O-ring, and re-installed the idle needle. Using a short piece of fuel tubing on the carb inlet nipple, I was able to blow through it while opening the idle needle until I heard air moving through the carb. Another 1/2 turn open and the manual says I was good to go.

This time, the OS61 fired right up, the idle was a bit on the rich side, and the top end also set very rich. But with a little fine-tuning on the idle needle, I was able to keep the motor running when the glow driver was off.

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I set the heli on the edge of the petromat runway and increased the throttle. Though blubbery-rich, the heli was light on its skids at 1/2 throttle, and airborne at 3/4 throttle. A friend tach'ed the head speed at about 1250 RPM. At that low RPM, the heli mushed around a lot and was a handful to even hover.

I burnt the first half-tank of fuel while adjusting the top-end, the low-end, my hovering pitch, and my hovering throttle settings. After half a tank of fuel, I landed, shut things down, retrieved the heli from the runway in front of me, and carried it back to that picnic table in the pits. I then settled my nerves down. I had gotten airborne, hovered, and back down, and the Superior was still in as many pieces as it was when I unloaded it from my car.

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After a short while, I put the canopy on, and headed to our hovering area at the north end of our flying site. I had a nasty vibration, the tracking was off a bit, one half-turn of a pitch link, and the tracking settled right down and the vibration disappeared. I spent the remainder of that half-tank of fuel hovering and occasionally adjusting the main needle valve. By the end of this flight, I had now burnt a full tank of fuel.

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For the third flight of the night, I refilled the tank, headed to the center pilot station, fired up the OS61, and lifted off to a stable hover. By now the wind had subsided, it was dead calm. I began to fly small figure-8's in front of me, parallel to the flight line. My altitude slowly increased, the size of the figure-8's increased, and the speed picked up. It was at THAT point that I suddenly felt as if I were flying my original Superior, at Lake Jacomo (Fleming Lake), near Kansas City, back in 1985. The graceful, smooth flight, the large turns, the feel of this Superior at that moment took me back nearly 25 years, it was a very magical, and nostalgic moment.

I plan to continue to fine tune and break in the motor, and to fine-tune the heli. I hope to baby it some, and this fall, fly it at IRCHA.

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Bill Bell (RR name WHBELL) was present this evening, and shot a boatload of video, as well as some still-shots of the maiden and subsequent flights. As I get those pics, and as he figures out how to compress the video for posting, I'll get the pics and videos posted as promised.

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Thanks to Bill for shooting the video. Thanks to Scott011422 who started this whole thread back in September 2009, and for selling me this bit of the past.

Thanks to Terry Moore, Heli Headcase, and Dr. Ben for their build tips and suggestions. Thanks to Blue Angel for swapping a NIB Supertiger carb for the OS 7H carb. Thanks to Kirk Nelson at Vintage Heli parts for supplying me with a fan extension that was the finishing touch of this heli, allowing me to get it airborne. Thanks to the wonderful folk at the Horizon Service center who breathed new life into three DS8231 servos that now sit at the helm of my Superior.

Thanks to all of you who subscribed along the way, who offered bits of ecnouragement, and even a picture of Bob Keeshan (a.k.a. Captain Kangaroo).

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This purchase was done on a whim, not knowing where it would take me, or how soon I'd see this heli fly. I'm glad I did it, and after all the hard work, that 30 seconds of flight where suddenly I was transported back to my KCRC and Schluter days was well worth it. It was as if I were flying a time machine. I look forward to flying this bird at IRCHA, and perhaps meeting some of you who took interest in the build face-to-face.

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Pictures and video to follow.

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