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09-20-2009 03:28 AM  11 years ago
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KnoxHeliGuy

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OK 600N is ready!! To use Traning gear or not?
Lets hear it.. to gear? or not to gear?

All my prior flights are on Coxaial and sims..
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09-20-2009 03:45 AM  11 years ago
David Blain

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Response is simple-
You have "NO Nitro" experience, A 600 Nitro is a whole different animal than any Coaxial or simulator!
I would say unless you have a bus load of spare parts...
USE THE TRAINING GEAR..

Get used to the Nitro, Get it dialed in and adjusted and when you feel like your comfortable just take them off.
At worst you can extend the life of your heli!

Good luck, Coaxial to Nitro is a big jump, I would also suggest you have someone with Nitro background take a solid look at your set up and/or assist you on the first day out...

Better safe than sorry....
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09-20-2009 04:32 AM  11 years ago
KnoxHeliGuy

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I have plenty of nitro history in planes 15 YEARS.. JUST NEW TO HELIS
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09-20-2009 05:41 AM  11 years ago
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Use the sim a lot. Get someone experienced to check your setup, including giving it a test flight to make sure there won't be any surprises. Then fly without the training gear. I had the same experience as you when I started a month ago. I do not use the training gear. Besides, it's going to fly differently with it on, versus off.

I watched another new guy with the training gear crash because one of the balls on the gear got caught on the ground. Personally, I think the training gear is "old school" for the days when people didn't have a good sim to use.
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09-20-2009 07:36 AM  11 years ago
Spitfire1

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I would use the training gear for the first few times if you have access to some training gear, as soon as you can lift of hover for a few moment and land then take em off ASAP, at one point in time I would have probly said its crazy to attempt to fly a heli the first time without t/balls, that being said in the last couple of years everyone Ive ever seen has started flying rc helis has started from scratch with no training balls with no problems at all, its just those first couple of times you spool up, more likely the very first few moments of terror that the balls may stop a tip over.
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09-20-2009 08:31 AM  11 years ago
Matt Wright

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[B]Definatly use training gear not sure if it does help but it makes one more comfortable I had never flown a heli and bought an Evo and was hovering in no time All i used was 2 metal welding rods with 4 ping pong balls Hint( cut some fuel tubing into a few small pieces and put in front and behind ping-pong balls so they dont slide off.)

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09-20-2009 09:33 AM  11 years ago
JetFire

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Personally, If you already have a set that fits the 600 then go for it. Why not?.. IMO. Just get them off ASAP so you don't develop bad habits otherwise I wouldn't even bother if you already have coaxial experience. The 50s are more stable and not as tipsy as the smaller guys. I was never a big fan of training gear. I used them when I learned on my very first 400 size heli but found out a week later that it wasn't necessary if you put allot of SIM time in. It actually flew better without them. It's more of a confidence builder more or less.

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09-20-2009 02:41 PM  11 years ago
KnoxHeliGuy

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Thanks So much Guys for the weigh in!!
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09-20-2009 03:38 PM  11 years ago
ttsingram

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+1 on using the gear for the first flight at least. You never know if something was missed at setup.
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09-20-2009 03:49 PM  11 years ago
koppter

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another concurrence...use the gear until you are comfortable. and i flew airplanes for 20 years, including several years of aerobatic competition. it doesn't help.
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09-20-2009 03:55 PM  11 years ago
dbldins

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+1 for gear. Ease up slow and dance around some if need be to get the feel.I wish I still flew!!!
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09-20-2009 06:24 PM  11 years ago
whbell

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I have been flying my new T500 for two months now. I found the first few flights where I was close to the ground, my training gear were more than paid for at least one time. Once I learned to concentrate on my takeoff/landing, then the gear came off. Just from my personal experience, when you are comfortable with hover within 6" or so of the ground, you no longer need them. Get rid of them ASAP after that!

BTW, don't spend more that $5 or $10 making your own with arrow shafts and wiffle balls kind of a setup, (if you don't already have some). That really is enough for a pair that work.
Gravity is what makes flying so much fun!
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09-21-2009 03:35 AM  11 years ago
Spitfire1

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when you are comfortable with hover within 6" or so of the ground, you no longer need them. Get rid of them ASAP after that!
as soon as you can lift of hover for a few moment and land then take em off ASAP
If you already have a set that fits the 600 then go for it. Why not?.. IMO. Just get them off ASAP so you don't develop bad habits otherwise
Use them by all means, but just make sure you get them off ASAP!

More than likely the worst thing that can happen is you scrape the tailblades, most likely no damge at all unless you have T/tube.
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09-23-2009 04:18 PM  11 years ago
reyd1

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+1
Use them for the first few flights, then get them off ASAP!!!!! Heli flies crappy with training gear. I wish that I got rid of mine sooner. I actually think that they held me back. Sort of like not wanting to let go of your fave childhood security blanket. Once I took it off, never looked back.
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09-25-2009 02:09 AM  11 years ago
XxCaTMaNxX

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None of these "when you can hover" comments make any sense.
how about "when you can land comfortably"

training gear does squat 6 feet off the ground.
I told the doctor I broke my leg in two places. He told me to quit going to those places...
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09-25-2009 02:30 AM  11 years ago
wws2010

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I think they make a huge difference 6 feet off the ground, I have had a bounce that saved my heli back about a year ago. I use them for any first flight I do, even on a 90, it just for an emergency.
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09-25-2009 12:55 PM  11 years ago
doorman

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+1 For The Training Gear....
Use the training gear until you can take off and land comfortably, and then you can take them off.... But I suggest that if you are just learning, also make you FEW first curcuits with them on....
Do they make the heli fly diffently??? Yes... will you know it is flying differently..... NO....so do what you need to do to be comfortable.... and the 15 years nitro on planes just means that you will be that much harder to teach what to do in a panic.. DO NOT pull that left stick out too quick as you would on a plane....
I give instruction on both and that is the biggest problem I see with plane pilots when they are just getting started....
Take you time and go at your own pace.... when you are comfortable, you will know and remove the gear.....
Good Luck and welcome to the DARK SIDE of the RC hobby......

Dave,
I watched another new guy with the training gear crash because one of the balls on the gear got caught on the ground. Personally, I think the training gear is "old school" for the days when people didn't have a good sim to use.
Yes, I am one of those old school guys... and just last week had 6 new heli pilots flying at different skill levels.. some on t/g, one on buddy box, and others in FF.... no crashes.... just think what your guy might have done w/o the t/g!!!!! And the t/g is not fool proof... it is an aid...and I consider anything that will help save your heli and teach you to fly is a good thing....
I do agree that the sims are a FANTASTIC tool, and some have come up and not used the t/g and do quite well... so I will conceed that you get them off as soon as you can... but go at your own pace, not the guys at the field telling you to take them off...
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09-25-2009 02:16 PM  11 years ago
XxCaTMaNxX

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Don't get me wrong. I advocate using training gear, but IMHO you should only use them until you can put your bird back on terra firma softly and confidently. Then get rid of them ASAP!
wws2010, how did your T/G help you 6 feet off the ground? It sounds to me like they helped when you met the ground. ( a landing neither soft nor confident )
Another suggestion. Set your pitch curve to -2 or 3 to +8 in normal mode. First instict when you start to drift will be to come off the throttle. If you go to too much negative pitch it will drive your bird into the ground. If you pull back far enough, fast enough even your training gear won't save you from a boom strike, possibly worse.
I told the doctor I broke my leg in two places. He told me to quit going to those places...
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09-27-2009 04:37 PM  11 years ago
KnoxHeliGuy

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THANKS SO MUCH!! Great info here and you guys are great.. thanks again.
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09-29-2009 06:05 PM  11 years ago
Flying Foot Doc

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Former Vol here & 15+ year plane guy, now mostly helis for 3 -4 years - actually lived in the dorm IN the stadium - +1 on the training gear for a short period of time. Also a major fan of the lessons from Radd's School of Rotary Flight. Good luck, let us all know how it goes. BTW, my 600N is getting built slowly now. AndyInverted IS more fun!
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