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09-20-2009 12:13 AM  11 years ago
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Mike545

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Shipping insurrance= rip off
Im wondering if im the only one who thinks this. Why do we pay insurrance for shipping to protect our packages from the companys who we pay to ship them? Its different from car insurrance. that protects us from us and others. Imagine your imployeer haveing to pay a fee, just incase you dont do you job,( which your getting payed for), correctly. So basicly we pay the shipper money to insurre our packages from its employee's.(sorry about the spelling)
"always feel thankful..... never entitled"
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09-20-2009 12:29 AM  11 years ago
GRINCHMAN

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I am there with ya. I have had this same question to my local post office. I dont get much response.
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09-20-2009 12:31 AM  11 years ago
nivlek

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I had a dispute with an Ebay seller who refused to ship my item unless I payed the 'optional' postal insurance ! Total scam to increase profit .At the end of the day , it gets dark .
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09-20-2009 12:57 AM  11 years ago
ShuRugal

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It's moderately irritating that you have to pay extra for insurance to the carrier. They're being paid to get it there, if they dont get it in one piece, that defeats the point.

However, eBay sellers requiring insurance for shipping is just the seller covering their own ass. I work for an auction house that sells primarily on ebay. We ship primarily by UPS, and we never leave out insurance. UPS breaks stuff frequently enough that us paying it back to the buyer out of our own pockets would shut us down. regardless of how well we pack the item, UPS/FedEX/USPS will all find a way to break it if its expensive.
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09-20-2009 01:08 AM  11 years ago
Mike545

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I shipped a 2600 chinock copter to Canada, some damage was done. they refused because I used the orginal mfg. box. Why did I pay 50.00 for insurrance. They basicly call me and the buyer liers. Its a scam in my book. I just get the del. confirm now."always feel thankful..... never entitled"
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09-20-2009 01:20 AM  11 years ago
thtoyman

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ups paids the saller. Them the buyer got try to get his money back fromt the seller. I know. I have been there. take 9 mos. to get my money back. And I know USP pay out in 10 days.

but for ins. If what the item was lost. ins paid for that to.
I would not ship any thing byUPS any more. I'm a USPS guy now. any way . I'm get out any how. Its not the shipping is the people in the hobby.

is to bad poeple can't see the good in a person , and not look at him for his handcap

but in my eyes that makes them handcap
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09-20-2009 05:38 AM  11 years ago
bexusflexus

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FEDEX is awful when it comes to redeeming insurance claims. I once had a heli shipped from Alaska and FEDEX stuck a probe through the box and inadvertenly through the canopy checking for explosives. I made a claim for the damage and was denied because they said that they do not cover "models" of any type. Later, I had RR members tell me that I should have referred to it as a "toy" helicopter. I guess this is an experience others had. Talk about splitting hairs. Like getting water out of a friggin rock.even not doing anything would have been better than nothing...
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09-20-2009 06:14 AM  11 years ago
ShuRugal

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man, if a shipper denied my claim after sticking something through my package on purpose, i'd be at their local office every day raising hell about it until i got proper compensation. That qualifies as willful destruction of property.AMA 700159
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09-21-2009 02:13 PM  11 years ago
borneobear

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read the small prints. I once bought a HD Camcorder from Canada fully insured from ebay for US$450. The seller wasn't a noob, so I expected him to know what he was doing.
When the Canada post e-mail came through, I read to my dismay the small prints says maximum coverage is only US$100.00.

Luckily for the seller, the item arrived - 3 months later - in one piece.
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09-22-2009 08:23 AM  11 years ago
Charlie

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I once bought a HD Camcorder from Canada fully insured from ebay for US$450. The seller wasn't a noob, so I expected him to know what he was doing.
When the Canada post e-mail came through, I read to my dismay the small prints says maximum coverage is only US$100.00.
That's probably all the seller insured it for. If I remember right, you can "buy" as much insurance as you want, I believe it's $1.50 for every $100 dollars of insurance.
He probably keep the price low so you wouldn't get stuck with custom fees (just a guess).
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09-22-2009 11:26 AM  11 years ago
Mike545

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you can buy it, but they also have people on their payroll, whos job it is to make sure they dont have to pay. trust me with my claim I was put on trial and made to feel like a criminal."always feel thankful..... never entitled"
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09-22-2009 08:20 PM  11 years ago
MartyH

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Its a rip off if you dont need it maybe but if you need it you will see insurance in an entirely different light. AS for being a blatant ripoff by an eBay seller, he has to actually pay for the insurance so I dont see where he is profiting financially. As for it being a ripoff by the carrier, it would not be reasonable to hold them directly responsible if someone poorly packages something and it gets damaged in transit.
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09-29-2009 05:04 AM  11 years ago
jb_turner

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Each carrier has rules regarding insurance. These rules were partly designed to prevent fraud. I suggest that if a carriers insurance policy is not appealing do not use them.JB "Do a SEARCH" Turner
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09-29-2009 05:13 AM  11 years ago
Dr.Ben

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I suppose one could argue for spending the money you were going to spend on insurance on a really good box and the right packing material. Done right, you can protect a package from about anything short of being run over by the delivery truck.

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09-29-2009 05:57 AM  11 years ago
ShuRugal

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you would think so, but the various shippers can get creative sometimes. We pack everything we ship in about 3 inches of expanding foam, and UPS still managed to handle one package so badly recently that they broke in two the 1/8" aluminium negative viewer that was in the box. To do this they had to first crush through a double-corrugated box, and about 6 inches of packing foam, and then have enough force left over to split an aluminum box.

they are, of course, going to pay for it. But the buyer was still pissed off as hell about it.
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09-29-2009 06:03 AM  11 years ago
dkshema

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Dr. Ben,

Yes, you can protect the package from just about EVERYTHING when shipping. I found out years ago the only thing you CAN'T protect it from, is the guy at the other end.

I sold a bunch of heli stuff many years ago using the RC Modeler Magazine Classified section -- pre-email, pre-internet days -- to a fellow living at an address on High Street, in Mendon, Illinois. I lived in Albuquerque, NM. The items included a Schluter Superior with a Suptertiger 75 installed, two JR Century VII radios, and a few other odds and ends, selling for about $800 total.

I boxed the stuff up into two large boxes, took them to a Mail Boxes, Etc. shipping store, and paid about $25 extra bucks to insure the two packages, that came in at about 30 pounds of stuff, and shipped them UPS.

I had the fellow's check, which the purchaser had dutifully stopped payment on AFTER I shipped the stuff. Surprise, surprise, he claimed to the UPS folk that the boxes were empty when received. He claimed I had sent him "empty boxes" (although I had the shipping receipt showing about 30 lbs of stuff shipped...). UPS asked him to save the boxes for the inspector. When the inspector arrived the next day, "he had burned them to get rid of them, and were in the way". Nothing to inspect.

Mail Boxes said their liability for the boxes ended when UPS picked 'em up, UPS said their liability ended when the guy signed for them.

Later as I tried to follow the trail of what happened, the UPS folk in Quincy, IL, told me that they were surprised I had lost money, as they had been watching this fellow for some time believing he was involved in a scheme with several others around the country -- shipping empty boxes, insuring them, then collecting insurance when the box contents were missing at the other end. They thought I was just another one of the crooks.

I did what I was supposed to do, bought what I believed would protect me, got screwed anyway. That was an expensive lesson.

I'd post the fellow's name for the record, it's a name I'll never forget. I won't because there is an advertiser here on RR whose owner has the same name as that of the crook. I don't wish to point fingers when someone unfortunate enough to share this not-so-common name may be inadvertently harmed by simply posting a name in an internet forum.
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09-29-2009 09:38 PM  11 years ago
helitom

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People (buyer or seller) who intend to do wrong, can almost always get away with it and no amount of insurance will fix the problem.

However, when both parties are honestly trying to get a deal done they are still at the mercy of the shipper, be is Fedex, UPS or USPS. I have had valid insurance claims disallowed claiming improper packing on more than one occassion. It seems to me that if the packing was improper ,the shiping agent should have refused to offer insurance in the first place. Of course, that would mean reduced profits...... So, most often it is the shipping company that is really the dishonest party. You can yell and scream as much as you want, you are not going to get any money. Shipping insurance only helps if the package never shows up. It is, indeed, a ripoff.

Finally, there are a lot of honest people who haven't a clue on how to pack something so it will get around the block, much less across the country. It take lotsa bubble wrap and foam peanuts for almost anything to get safely from one place to another. That, requires effort on the part of the person sending the item. Don't often see the effort.....
The older I get, the fewer things seem worth waiting in line for.
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09-29-2009 09:50 PM  11 years ago
JEEPWORLD2002

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forget the insu, how about having to pay 36 $ to ship something from HK to the us went to try their batteries which are priced great but then add in the 36$ shipping charge and devide it by the 2 batt and then add the sum togather and ur buying a avg pack from the states oh well wait till they either start stocking the us ware house with some bigger lipos i couldnt believe the cost to ship 2 lipos, tank about making a profit from shipping costs Trex600n Trex500 Mikado LoGo5003d// Hacker, CastleCreations,Ys 50, JR 7703d/8900, Radix
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09-29-2009 11:00 PM  11 years ago
ShuRugal

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i couldnt believe the cost to ship 2 lipos, talk about making a profit from shipping costs
This is a complaint we get all the time at work from buyers in europe, and it drives me buggers. Shipping items internationally is inherently expensive, because of the distances involved and the bureaucratic pain involved crossing borders.

Shipping an item between Europe and America, or America and Asia means an airplane or a boat, both of which are very expensive, one of which is less very expensive, but takes a very long time. For a package under about 18-cube (18x18x18 inches) and not exceeding 20 pounds, size and weight of the item being shipped are pretty much irrelevant when it's going twelve thousand miles in an airplane. I bold those two portions because they are the most critical: Mile for mile, pound for pound, airmail shipping is by far the most expensive way to move packages. It has the advantage of being the fastest, but speed comes at a price, and those miles add up fast when your going halfway around the world.

If you are going to buy internationally, you are going to get reamed on shipping unless the item is small enough to go in an envelope. The only way to lessen the reaming is to buy all the items you need from the same source, at the same time, so it all goes in the same box.
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10-10-2009 06:51 PM  11 years ago
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I always thought shipping insurance was a joke. Basically it gives the shippers a reason not to pack the product very well. Then they seem surprised if something arrives broken. Here's my idea, pack it well and ship through a reputible shipper and you will be fine.It's a complex, costly, glow powered anti-gravity machine!
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