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09-19-2009 03:40 PM  11 years ago
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zackesch

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Decisions, decisions
All my rc's that I have owned so far have been electric, with the exception of my raven 30. I have not flown much because nitro is a bit out of my element. I am not good at tuning engines and im always worried that its gonna cut out on me. So, what im thinking is selling the airframe, engine, and starting equipment "pump, glow igniter and starter and fuel if local" and put my electronics into a swift 16. Im wondering if i should stick it out with nitro or move to electric.

Whats your input?
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09-19-2009 04:05 PM  11 years ago
Blade_Master1

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if tuning nitro ain't your thang you can try using a carb smart

you have to learn autorotations eventualy

I had a plug go out on me the other day
I guess I ran too lean
I practice auto's on the sim alot and it paid off this season
the last flameout happened coming out of a loop from over 50' up
3 flameouts and 1 tail malfunction so far

I got both electric and nitro
I like electric for those short days when it's more convenient to just plug and go
I save my nitro for days when I have a few hours to fly

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09-20-2009 01:24 AM  11 years ago
imnxtc

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I fly a lot of both. Tuning engines and matching pitch curves to them is definitely a skill that takes time to learn.

The BIG advantage with the Swift is that it will fly much like your Rav30, and with a 6S pack and 600+motor mated to the 80A ESC, will have a far better power to weight ratio. Like a hot 50 nitro with the os HYPER....but you do not have to learn anything about tuning or setting throttle curves.

Get the combo with the 600+ motor, 9T pinion and 80A esc and on a 5S pack it will fly much like a light Rav30 with the OS37. With a 6S pack it will be like a good 50 (or your Raven with an OS50H - non hyper).

What you will be sacrificing is flight time per flight. They will only be about 6 minutes instead of 10+.
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09-20-2009 01:49 AM  11 years ago
MotorRotor

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From what you say, you will find the Swift 16 will do all you want inexpensively. It is a very user friendly heli that is very easy to set up for all types of flying, from mild to wild.

It is also very versatile relative to all the various blade sizes available for it (from 520mm to 560mm), and all the various power systems that will work on it that can use 4S or 5S or 6S, with just an inexpensive change of pinion.

It will all depend on what you want it to do and how much you want to spend on it.

Whatever yur choice, the Swift 16 or the 550SE - I am sure you will find they can do most everything and all while being easy on your charge card.
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09-20-2009 02:44 AM  11 years ago
Frank Bostwick

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I totally understand where you are coming from. It took me some time and ah........2 motors to get the tuning thing. Just like you said the trust factor comes into play as well but dont discount that extra flight time and other advantages of nitro.

That and battery issues. I killed 1-2 6s batteries before I learned the 80% guide line is really a law that has to be followed precisely. At $150 a pop batteries are not cheap.

For $22 bucks I can go fly all weekend.

On my 6s Logo 10 I get a solid 5mins of flight on a 3850 pack on my Hawk OS37 I get 12mins, the 50 is about 10min. That extra few minutes each flight adds up to faster progression.

Thats not to mention the logo is swingin 500s, the 30 550s and of course the 50 600s We all know the bigger the blade the more stable the heli. More stable = more trust= faster progression

I agree it took me some time to trust my nitro powered helis. The tuning thing is a learning curve thing you can get over. After some time you will know when your glow plug needs replacement and yes learning autos is an important thing.

I guess my point is Nitro has some very worth while advantages. One of them to me is the lower power to weight ratio forces you to learn better collective management that helps you become a better pilot.

All that said my Logo is my favorite heli but I still think nitro power has alot to offer. So which is easier to come up with $22 for a full day or $150 for 100 flights?
RIP ROMAN
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09-20-2009 03:37 AM  11 years ago
zackesch

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FB, your post makes a great deal of sense. I will stick with the nitro and bite the bullet. I understand the lipo issue. I killed a 130 dollar lipo in one of my rc cars...
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09-20-2009 04:21 AM  11 years ago
Frank Bostwick

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Just takes time, you'll get to trust it.RIP ROMAN
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09-20-2009 06:29 AM  11 years ago
oldfart

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I totally understand where you are coming from. It took me some time and ah........2 motors to get the tuning thing. Just like you said the trust factor comes into play as well but dont discount that extra flight time and other advantages of nitro.

That and battery issues. I killed 1-2 6s batteries before I learned the 80% guide line is really a law that has to be followed precisely. At $150 a pop batteries are not cheap.
I also fly a lot of nitro, electric and even gas powered helis. They all have their advantages and disadvantages.

As you can see from the quote above, I guess as far as damaging items go, it was a wash here (two motors, for two battery packs).

I guess the point I am trying to make, is that as others here have mentioned, the big plus for electrics, from a more neophyte view, is that less skills are needed to get the heli set-up to fly as they should from one flight to the next. There is no doubt that they are more "plug & play", which will result in more flying and less fiddling. They can also have much better power to weight ratios if set-up with high power motor/esc/battery combos.

But if you want to take the time, and make the extra effort required (even if you may burn up two engines) to learn these extra skills, you may find it all well worth while.

That being said, relative to flight times. If one sets the Swift 16 up for similar rotor speeds and flight times as you would operate your Raven 30 (e.g. 1750/1800) on a 6S/4500 pack, you would find you may well also get around a 9 minute flight.

The great thing about it all, is whatever you choose to fly, you will be enjoying yourself while doing so.
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09-20-2009 02:26 PM  11 years ago
Mutt

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With nitro gas or even electric if your in doubt ask the only dumb question is the one you do not ask. There are lots of people all over here on rr and in your town that can help you to learn to tune a nitro engine. It is not hard to do at all. I have been flying rc for over 40 years and untill the day I decide to quit flying rc will always have nitro helis and planes besides my gassers. I do not have any electrics myself I do not care for them. But what ever you decide to use e power or fuel just ask for help lots of things to be learned here from lots of people old fart is a dicionaay of info on these things. and others with lots of good info.
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