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09-18-2009 04:45 PM  11 years ago
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Heli_KV

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SIM time
How do you use SIM?
Could you please share your SIM tips?
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09-18-2009 05:00 PM  11 years ago
shizack

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I try to get my sim model set up as closely as possible to my real one. Then I drill on the next move I want to learn and the moves I can do that need polishing.

It also helps to pick a sim field that somewhat resembles the place you fly.

You should also try as hard not to crash as you do in real life.

Every now and then I'll just zing around and "play", but I try to use it as a learning tool as much as possible.
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09-18-2009 07:09 PM  11 years ago
Gregor99

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Pretty much the same as Shiz, execpt don't try and setup my SIM models the same as my real models with the exception of rudder response.

I don't get much heli diversity from my real models so I use the sim for a little more variety.

I will also turn up the wind and realism levels to compensate for the lack of nerves you get with real helis.

For which skills to practice, I try to treat the SIM as extension of what I'm doing with the real helis. There's no sense in using the SIM to practice stuff you are months or years away from doing for real. The sim time should serve to build on the skill you are currently working for real. Otherwise the time spent does not help the real life skills and you wonder what good a sim is for.
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09-19-2009 10:48 AM  11 years ago
Sgt Heli

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I use my sim as a babysitter. Lets say I need to make an important phone call. I get the sim going and pass off the controller to my 5yr old son who is all about it. He will pick scenery, a cool heli, then he will fly it for about 15 minutes unattended.
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09-22-2009 04:32 PM  11 years ago
Heli_KV

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Do you find SIM is harder to fly then real life? In my case, and I use Phoenix, flying on SIM is more complicated, extremely for some types of helis. Am I doing something wrong?
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09-22-2009 05:52 PM  11 years ago
Gregor99

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It really depends on what I'm working on with the real heli. Right now my biggest obsticle is working through the fear of crashing on moves that I can do comfortably in the sim. In that case, real is much harder than the sim, but its all in my mind.

For new moves that I'm just starting I do find some stuff much harder on the SIM. When I was working on toolman piros (slow stationary piro 1 foot over a 1 foot square box) I found them much harder on the sim. In fact I never actually completed them on the sim before first mastering them in the real heli.

Can you give some examples of moves that are harder on the sim than in real life?
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09-22-2009 06:13 PM  11 years ago
Heli_KV

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For example looks like simple stuff as circles or 8s but slow and to be confined in a tight area, for example to set F3C layout and to fly circles all possible orientations but being inside an area and that circle looked like circle. You saw how I fly circles in real life. Maybe they are not good there as well?
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09-22-2009 09:20 PM  11 years ago
Melnic

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I have been using the sim to polish up my orientation skills (inverted, inverted nose in, inverted tail in, inverted backwards etc)

Anyone know if FMS or clearview or any other sim can be set up to slow down the timescale?
I'm wanting to try a piro flip but I'm wondering if trying it in slow motion will allow me to train my finger movements easier than crashing 20 times in a row and still not knowing if I had the movements right.

Edit: Clearview has "magic time" where you can scale the time down as a % of real time. Real time is 100.
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09-22-2009 10:48 PM  11 years ago
fenderstrat

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I do prety much the above,use the sim as a serious training tool,by working on manuvers that I am either polishing up,or going to try VERY soon

dont fall into the trap that many do,and assume sim time is all good as long as you are simming.if.for example, you are trying to master nose in in real life and you spend 2 hours working on piro flips and hurricanes,and you go out and try to hover,you are wasting your time.use the sim to directly correlate what your next trip to the field will be.guys who cant do a flip on a real heli,then spend hours doing piroflips think "I must be better I just spent 2 hours on the sim".But doing this really doesn't help anything
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09-23-2009 12:17 AM  11 years ago
zaw

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I can't keep the damn heli close enough to me in sim. Especially if I choose HBK sized model, if they get little far away, there is no way to tell the orientation. I just choose biggest heli they have when I'm in a sim.

Actually, before I learned how to hover I used the sim, I could not fly in sim at all, until after I can hover good in real I can use the sim.
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09-23-2009 01:11 AM  11 years ago
Gregor99

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I can't keep the damn heli close enough to me in sim. Especially if I choose HBK sized model, if they get little far away, there is no way to tell the orientation.
If you fly at large open field, that's exactly the way it is real life. When I first joined the local club, this would happen to me all the time with the HBK2. Get out a little far, the wind catches it and the next thing you know, you can barely see it. I start off with assuming its in the last orientation I saw it in. Then I wag the tail side to side to confirm. You can rock side to side with the aileron, but that's more dangerous. A tail wag doesn't cause the heli to start moving like the aileron would.

If my tail wag morse code comes back as expected, I'll slowly real it back in keeping tail-in orientation until I'm comfortable enough to turn it around and fly nose-in. If the tail wag comes back backwards.... not sure what I'd do. Its never happened. But I supose I'd either fly it nose-in toward me or try to swap the the tail around and bring it back tail-in.

First time this happened, I came home and turned off autozoom on the SIM.
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09-23-2009 01:45 AM  11 years ago
Melnic

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there is no depth perception on a sim like in real life. Flying on the sim is like flying w/ one eye open. It's easy to have the heli start moving away from you w/o really feeling it.

I fly a big heli (raptor 50) on the sim so I can see what I'm doing.

I also work on getting to the point that I'm both comfortable and not crashing while doing something, then try it on a real heli. Then the knocking knees start over again.
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09-23-2009 04:36 AM  11 years ago
Gregor99

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For my eyes, there's no depth perception in real life once the heli gets to the "black silouette" state, so its the same the sim. Oh, and I heard a rumor Phoenix is working on 3d for the next rev. Should be interesting.Revolectrix Beta Team
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