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09-18-2009 04:37 AM  11 years ago
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dilberteinstein

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45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting If Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul
Take a lookie at this chart:

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09-18-2009 04:39 AM  11 years ago
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Here's the writeup for the above chart - sorry it's long.
By TERRY JONES, INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY
Posted 09/15/2009 07:09 PM ET

Two of every three practicing physicians oppose the medical overhaul plan under consideration in Washington, and hundreds of thousands would think about shutting down their practices or retiring early if it were adopted, a new IBD/TIPP Poll has found.

The poll contradicts the claims of not only the White House, but also doctors' own lobby — the powerful American Medical Association — both of which suggest the medical profession is behind the proposed overhaul.

It also calls into question whether an overhaul is even doable; 72% of the doctors polled disagree with the administration's claim that the government can cover 47 million more people with better-quality care at lower cost.

The IBD/TIPP Poll was conducted by mail the past two weeks, with 1,376 practicing physicians chosen randomly throughout the country taking part. Responses are still coming in, and doctors' positions on related topics — including the impact of an overhaul on senior care, medical school applications and drug development — will be covered later in this series.

Major findings included:

• Two-thirds, or 65%, of doctors say they oppose the proposed government expansion plan. This contradicts the administration's claims that doctors are part of an "unprecedented coalition" supporting a medical overhaul.

It also differs with findings of a poll released Monday by National Public Radio that suggests a "majority of physicians want public and private insurance options," and clashes with media reports such as Tuesday's front-page story in the Los Angeles Times with the headline "Doctors Go For Obama's Reform."

Nowhere in the Times story does it say doctors as a whole back the overhaul. It says only that the AMA — the "association representing the nation's physicians" and what "many still regard as the country's premier lobbying force" — is "lobbying and advertising to win public support for President Obama's sweeping plan."

The AMA, in fact, represents approximately 18% of physicians and has been hit with a number of defections by members opposed to the AMA's support of Democrats' proposed health care overhaul.

• Four of nine doctors, or 45%, said they "would consider leaving their practice or taking an early retirement" if Congress passes the plan the Democratic majority and White House have in mind.

More than 800,000 doctors were practicing in 2006, the government says. Projecting the poll's finding onto that population, 360,000 doctors would consider quitting.

• More than seven in 10 doctors, or 71% — the most lopsided response in the poll — answered "no" when asked if they believed "the government can cover 47 million more people and that it will cost less money and the quality of care will be better."

This response is consistent with critics who complain that the administration and congressional Democrats have yet to explain how, even with the current number of physicians and nurses, they can cover more people and lower the cost at the same time.

The only way, the critics contend, is by rationing care — giving it to some and denying it to others. That cuts against another claim by plan supporters — that care would be better.

IBD/TIPP's finding that many doctors could leave the business suggests that such rationing could be more severe than even critics believe. Rationing is one of the drawbacks associated with government plans in countries such as Canada and the U.K. Stories about growing waiting lists for badly needed care, horror stories of care gone wrong, babies born on sidewalks, and even people dying as a result of care delayed or denied are rife.

In this country, the number of doctors is already lagging population growth.

From 2003 to 2006, the number of active physicians in the U.S. grew by just 0.8% a year, adding a total of 25,700 doctors.

Recent population growth has been 1% a year. Patients, in short, are already being added faster than physicians, creating a medical bottleneck.

The great concern is that, with increased mandates, lower pay and less freedom to practice, doctors could abandon medicine in droves, as the IBD/TIPP Poll suggests. Under the proposed medical overhaul, an additional 47 million people would have to be cared for — an 18% increase in patient loads, without an equivalent increase in doctors. The actual effect could be somewhat less because a significant share of the uninsured already get care.

Even so, the government vows to cut hundreds of billions of dollars from health care spending to pay for reform, which would encourage a flight from the profession.

The U.S. today has just 2.4 physicians per 1,000 population — below the median of 3.1 for members of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, the official club of wealthy nations.

Adding millions of patients to physicians' caseloads would threaten to overwhelm the system. Medical gatekeepers would have to deny care to large numbers of people. That means care would have to be rationed.

"It's like giving everyone free bus passes, but there are only two buses," Dr. Ted Epperly, president of the American Academy of Family Physicians, told the Associated Press.

Hope for a surge in new doctors may be misplaced. A recent study from the Association of American Medical Colleges found steadily declining enrollment in medical schools since 1980.

The study found that, just with current patient demand, the U.S. will have 159,000 fewer doctors than it needs by 2025. Unless corrected, that would make some sort of medical rationing or long waiting lists almost mandatory.

Experiments at the state level show that an overhaul isn't likely to change much.

On Monday came word from the Massachusetts Medical Society — a group representing physicians in a state that has implemented an overhaul similar to that under consideration in Washington — that doctor shortages remain a growing problem.

Its 2009 Physician Workforce Study found that:

• The primary care specialties of family medicine and internal medicine are in short supply for a fourth straight year.

• The percentage of primary care practices closed to new patients is the highest ever recorded.

• Seven of 18 specialties — dermatology, neurology, urology, vascular surgery and (for the first time) obstetrics-gynecology, in addition to family and internal medicine — are in short supply.

• Recruitment and retention of physicians remains difficult, especially at community hospitals and with primary care.

A key reason for the doctor shortages, according to the study, is a "lingering poor practice environment in the state."

In 2006, Massachusetts passed its medical overhaul — minus a public option — similar to what's being proposed on a national scale now. It hasn't worked as expected. Costs are higher, with insurance premiums rising 22% faster than in the U.S. as a whole.

"Health spending in Massachusetts is higher than the United States on average and is growing at a faster rate," according to a recent report from the Urban Institute.

Other states with government-run or mandated health insurance systems, including Maine, Tennessee and Hawaii, have been forced to cut back services and coverage.

This experience has been repeated in other countries where a form of nationalized care is common. In particular, many nationalized health systems seem to have trouble finding enough doctors to meet demand.

In Britain, a lack of practicing physicians means the country has had to import thousands of foreign doctors to care for patients in the National Health Service.

"A third of (British) primary care trusts are flying in (general practitioners) from as far away as Lithuania, Poland, Germany, Hungary, Italy and Switzerland" because of a doctor shortage, a recent story in the British Daily Mail noted.

British doctors, demoralized by long hours and burdensome rules, simply refuse to see patients at nights and weekends.

Likewise, Canadian physicians who have to deal with the stringent rules and income limits imposed by that country's national health plan have emigrated in droves to other countries, including the U.S.

Tomorrow: Why most doctors oppose the government's plan — in their own words.

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAna....aspx?id=506199
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09-18-2009 07:50 AM  11 years ago
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Hm, I wonder what line of business they then would go into, I mean there are plenty of available jobs in other trades aren't there??

Seems like a lot of hot air...
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09-18-2009 12:38 PM  11 years ago
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Hm, I wonder what line of business they then would go into, I mean there are plenty of available jobs in other trades aren't there??

Seems like a lot of hot air...
Well,you should know,you are the resident expert in 'hot air'.
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09-18-2009 01:14 PM  11 years ago
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Tintin, most would take an early retirement. The population here is moving up the age scale as the baby boomers move towards retirement age. It should be obvious that a sizable number of the doctors are also approaching retirement age and would opt out rather than face the difficulties this alleged plan would entail. There are many doctors here who no longer accept new patients if they are on medicare. The paperwork is a nightmare and the reimbursements are frequently delayed. A government run system would be a disaster.
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09-18-2009 01:46 PM  11 years ago
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Sure, but hardly anywhere near 45% unless you have educated docs at a very uneven rate...you can guess it would be a disaster, however you can't know that for a fact. You might model it after whichever country in the industrial world as you are the only country without it and I'm sure you can find one system that actually works...at least as well as your current one...“Getting an inch of snow is like winning 10 cents in the lottery.”
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09-18-2009 02:02 PM  11 years ago
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the only way to make it work is to change the way our government works. I've tried to explain this to you a million times (Tintin). With the system we have in place now, it will be disastrous. We need to remake our system in a major way, then it may have a chance. First things first. Horse before the cart, not after......before.
Secondly, Frank is right. Most intelligent young people are staying away from Medicine because they hear the stories and see what's coming. The older Doc's WILL retire early, trust me. I know several here, how many do you know (here in US)???
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09-18-2009 02:14 PM  11 years ago
Tintin

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Well then get cracking....then the problem isn't BHO or the system change, you just need to pave the way for it...“Getting an inch of snow is like winning 10 cents in the lottery.”
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09-18-2009 02:56 PM  11 years ago
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mmmm no, he is part of the problem, because that was his entire platform....CHANGE!!! He is doing the same crap as all before him, just magnified. He is not changing one fundemental thing about the way we do things. If anything, he is even MORE polarizing than Bush EVER was, and that's saying something. Of course it's not his fault, but he sure aint helping things and for dang sure, he's not changing anything for the better.
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09-18-2009 05:05 PM  11 years ago
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In 2010 my wife will have 12 years and $200,000 in debt invested in becoming a doctor.
We are considering leaving the country if Obama's health plan passes. We have to be able to pay our debts and if we can't make it here, we'll have to find it elsewhere.
Most doctors are very intelligent people and they will figure out how to make money no matter which field it is in.
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09-18-2009 05:31 PM  11 years ago
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I was saying the same thing a few weeks ago. If I'm a bright 21 year old kid, with a nice GPA and a high IQ, why would I go into Medicine when I can go Law, Business, etc. The days are over with where doctors make huge money. I know there are exceptions, but if everything runs thru the Gov, guess what, you'll be lucky to make 50k a year as a doctor. No way it's worth it. Possibly doing research, but I don't consider that Medicine, I would consider that science.
Best wishes to you and your other half. Hope you prosper.
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09-18-2009 06:28 PM  11 years ago
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Most doctors are very intelligent people and they will figure out how to make money no matter which field it is in.
Doctors are not only intelligent but also have an ability or drive to succeed in this field. I know I have a drive for engineering but I am especially "turned off" by medical subjects. There are plenty of intelligent people in other fields that just don't have the "stomach" for a medical profession. My point is: "it takes more than just brains."

This is the typical mode of operation of Obama and his cronies. They have the power to pass these crazy laws and they are abusing this power. They clearly do not understand the importance of people's nature. People will not spend their human energy and place themselves heavily in debt just to find themselves undercut by unscrupulous politicians.

Look at the history of Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac and their relationship with the Democrats. Their irresponsibility (despite the early warnings from the Bush administration) lead to a total collapse of the housing market years after the warnings.

Obama and his cronies are receiving plenty of warnings from doctors, Republicans, Tea Parties, Town Hall Meetings, non liberal news, and the general public. Yet Obama and his cronies are quick to label all these warnings as scare tactics from "domestic terrorists" and the latest..."racists."

I am neither a racist nor a domestic terrorist and I do resent the accusations.

Being a native Texan I know "Remember the Alamo." After 9-11, I now have "Let's Roll" burned into my brain. And the latest two famous words to rise to the occasion are: "You Lie."
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09-21-2009 03:44 PM  11 years ago
Tintin

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Most doctors are very intelligent people and they will figure out how to make money no matter which field it is in.
Bu in which country do you think she'll make more money than in the US as a freshly educated doc??
“Getting an inch of snow is like winning 10 cents in the lottery.”
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09-21-2009 03:55 PM  11 years ago
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I have discussed this health care plan with my physician, dentist and a few doctor clients that I have. One has said he will retire early and leave the country if things continue in this direction. My physician said it will likely put them out of business. Another said he's not sure what he will do but may retire early as well. None had positive feelings about the changes coming up.
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09-21-2009 03:59 PM  11 years ago
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Hmmm... Most doctors I speak with express most concern over insurance companies fixing prices with "usual and customary" rates and charges and deciding what their patients' treatments will be.
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09-21-2009 06:10 PM  11 years ago
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I'm just curious as to where those that want to leave if you get public healthcare will go. I trust they will want to move to another "western" country....whereof all have public healthcare....why would they run from your public healthcare into another countrys public healthcare.....seems to me like a lot of noise and no real action...smokescreen...“Getting an inch of snow is like winning 10 cents in the lottery.”
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