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09-17-2009 11:04 AM  11 years ago
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tskg2

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Futaba Fasst / Cal 5 M help, please
Hi folks- I'm tryin to help a newbie set up his pre-loved Cal5 M and his Futaba radio- and am slightly stumped. I'd appreciate any help from the folks who are smarter than me (not that hard) and maybe even have this combination. I am a huge fan of the Cal line, and i own 3 Cal 30's and 2 Cal 5's.
This machine, the M, has a different servo setup from my other 5's - this must be true CCPM.

So, we have a Cal5 M heli, maybe 2 hours flight on it- all went well for the previous owner, never smacked. It now has a Futaba FAAST receiver, and everything is plugged into the correct channels- I've checked this.

The radio is a Futaba T7C FASST. I'm a JR boy from way back, so while I'm getting the hang of the radio- I'm more at home with JR's. I think I could sort this out using mynown radio and reciever- but we'll save that in case all else fails.

Following the info on one of the setup sheets, we have reversed the 2 channels that need to be reversed (#2 and #6, from memory). However- this radio is not listed on the setup sheet, so the nominated Swash types from the Caliber paperwork do not match any of ones listed in the transmitters settings.

However- when I push the stick up for full pitch- all servos move together in the correct direction- so I think that is a good sign that I haven't totally screwed this thing up.

To my eye- it appears that the swash is 90degree out of kilter. A foward cyclic input results in the swashplate tilting to the left, kinda.

So- what I think I am looking for is the following:
1. What swash type- HR3, HN3, etc.
2. What swash values?
3. What switches are to be reversed?

Now, the owner is keen to try to continue to work this out himself- so he has taken the heli home with him. I don't have the heli in front of me to answer any questions, but I'd be pleased to give them a go from memory.

If anyone can help me out, I know we would both be very grateful!

Thanks in advance for the assitance- G2
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09-17-2009 11:44 AM  11 years ago
heli-cuzz

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Swash AFR should be set to HR-3
Make sure your ailreon servos are working correctly, if both are working properly there is no change needed, if both operate backwards reverse the whole function, if one works the opposite reverse that servo.
Check the elevator function, you will either change the whole function or or reverse the individual servos(not the ailreon servos).
Start the swash values at +50 and work from there.
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09-17-2009 02:58 PM  11 years ago
dkshema

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There is no correct answer to "what switches need to be reversed". That is a function of the servos installed (for example JR rotate in the opposite direction than Futaba for the same stick input), and it also depends on which channels the two servos that control the off-center balls of the swashplate are plugged in to. They plug into the aileron and Aux 1 channels on the RX, but it really doesn't matter WHICH goes where, they can be interchanged.

HR-3 is correct selection for swash type as noted above.

This should help you with any CCPM radio/heli in the future for getting things plugged in correctly, and moving correctly:

http://www.runryder.com/p4325158/

And if you wondered what all the different settings would do for you while setting up that radio and heli:

http://www.runryder.com/p4050614/

and for setting Cyclic pitch...

http://www.runryder.com/p4091435/

Have fun with that new heli...
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09-17-2009 08:20 PM  11 years ago
tskg2

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Great, thanks!
Guys- I appreciate the help with this!

I suspect that one of my problems is that the way Futaba does things is just different enough that certain concepts make me scratch my head.

I'm a simple guy- and I could have sworn that a heli one has one Alieron servo- but the Futba manual speaks about the 'Alieron servos'. I know that must be the root of why I can't manage to get this beast set up right. I have 9 helis in my heli room- and have never struck this before. Then again- I'm a JR guy, who's first radio was a 3810, and now have a 10X and a DX7.

All servos are now plugged into the correct holes in the RX- Ail, Elev, Pitch, etc- as matches the diagrams in the manual. Again, when I push the stick for pitch- all servos move smoothly together up. But the cyclic is screwy.

I suspect the 'elevator function', as mentioned by heli-cuzz, is one of the Futaba things that I don't know about. This is probabaly part of the problem- but buggar me if I can figure out this pesky radio.

Well, the owner has the heli and radio with him- if he can't get this to work, I'll get it back in my hands on Sunday for my next effort.

I'll check out the links- and pass along this help to the newbie. He's a good guy, and he'll be a great addition to the club.

Any further help to poor old G2 will be gratefully recieved!

Thanks- G2
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09-17-2009 11:56 PM  11 years ago
dkshema

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The Caliber 5 HAS what an airplane guy would call an "aileron" function (roll), an elevator (pitch) function, a rudder (yaw) function, and a throttle function. It also has a collective pitch function, something not usually found in an airplane (unless you count variable pitch propellors).

BUT -- the Caliber 5 requires three servos to control the swashplate, and all three servos must move correctly together to make the swashplate work as it should. That mixing is accomplished in the transmitter, and is controlled by the SWASH TYPE (HR-3) setting, and the SWASH AFR settings.

The three servos plug into sockets in the receiver that would be labeled "aileron", "elevator", and "Aux 1". Those first two are airplane names.

The C5 swashplate has four balls that control it. Two are slaved together, and are located at the front and rear of the swashplate, and are in-line with the centerline of the airframe. They are controlled by two plastic arms in the shape of an "A" ("A" arms" ). The servo that controls those two balls plugs into the ELEVATOR channel of the RX.

The remaining two balls are located off-center of the heli, one on the left, one on the right, and both in front of the main mast.

Each ball is controlled by a separate servo. One of these servos MUST plug into the AILERON socket of the receiver. The other MUST plug into AUX 1 (channel 6). It doesn't matter which of these servos plugs into which socket, as long as they end up being plugged into the AILERON socket, and the AUX 1 socket.

The Aux 1 socket will become the "Collective Pitch" socket.

With these three servos plugged into those three sockets, the rest of the setup is a no-brainer.

Move the AILERON (roll) stick side to side on the transmitter. The two servos plugged into the Aileron and AUX 1 sockets must move in opposite directions. These servos control the two off-center balls in front of the main mast.

If they don't move in opposite directions, go into the transmitter channel reverse menu, and reverse EITHER the Aileron channel OR the Aux 1 channel (do only one). That will get the two servos moving opposite directions with aileron input as required.

If the swash tilts to the LEFT for RIGHT aileron input, go to the SWASH AFR menu and change the SIGN of the AILERON mix number (If "+", make it "-", if "-", make it "+" ).

Move the ELEVATOR (pitch) stick fore and aft. The swash must tilt fore and aft when you do this. If the swash moves UP or DOWN instead of tilting, go to the transmitter channel reverse menu and REVERSE THE ELEVATOR channel.

The swash will now tilt fore and aft as you move the Elevator stick fore and aft. If the swash tilts forward when you pull the elevator stick back, go to the SWASH AFR menu and change the sign of the ELEVATOR mix number. If it's "+", change to "-", and if "-", change it to "+". The swash will now tilt fore and aft correctly.

The swash will move level, up and down on the main shaft when you move the throttle/collective stick. If it moves DOWN when you go to full throttle, go to the SWASH AFR menu and change the sign of the PITCH mix number. If "+", make it "-". If "-", make it "+".

This will get your swashplate moving correctly with respect to the sticks on the TX.

JR/Spektrum/Futaba all do the same thing, they just use slightly different names (SWASH MIX in JR, SWASH AFR in Futaba). Don't let simple naming differences confuse you.
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09-19-2009 07:17 AM  11 years ago
tskg2

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Dave- thanks for taking the time to send all this information along.

It confirms that I am already up to speed with about 99% of what you sent- and the confusion comes from the wee funny differences between JR terms and Futaba terms for the same things.

I'll pass this post along to the newbie- I'm sure it'll help.

I'm getting the heli and radio in my hands tomorrow if things aren;t set by then. We should ahve it right soon after that!

Have a great weekend- G2
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