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0| howlingriffon
rrNovice Navarre Fl and Eagan MN |
Average crash cost? What 's the average cost to repair one of these after a crash? Going to discuss getting one again with She Who Controls the Checkbook and need as much ammo in my corner as possible. Why is it that wives always seem to think food and shelter are more important than new hobby stuff? Thanks again for all of your input and patience with the newbie. |
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| billm
rrElite Veteran Liberty Lake, WA |
It all depends on how hard the crash is. Lets take the really hard crash. The ship is a total mess. That would be hard to take and the price would be a new ship. $199 bucks to get a new ship from JB. This would not include the damage to electronics and all the other stuff your ship needs to fly. If you get any ship the electronics and stuff would be the same cost to fix regardles of what you fly. So...Tell the check book that the Pantera is a good ship and replacement is just a few dinners at home to replace. Learn to cook and your golden. |
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| nfdheli
rrNovice Kendallville, IN |
 Frames, tail boom, mainshaft, blade grip, blades, tail rotor shaft, fuel tank, 2 links, both fins, misc.I was flying next day after a trip to Spratts Hobby for $176.00 and they had all parts in stock!!Richard |
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| gondwnhard
rrApprentice redwood city ca. |
Spindle -------6.39--------6.49-----7.99---------8.99------2.99 Boom Brace-12.99 -----14.72---11.99-------16.99-------7.99 Boom----------11.75----- 12.34---10.00-------9.99--------4.99 TT---------------xxxx-------9.99----15.99-------xxxx------xxxx Tail Rotor----- 5.79------14.44----6.99--------9.99-------5.99 Tail Shaft------7.09------ 9.99---- 13.99------6.99-------4.99 Counter Gear-xxxxx-----13.99----13.99-----26.99------5.99 Fly Bar --------6.39-------6.99------4.99-----8.99--------3.99 Mixing Arm---- 8.75------2.99-----xxxxx------6.29------4.69Sub Total 1---- 67.90---- 103.33----97.42-----107.21----46.61PART SET 2 Washout Arm 10.29 4.99 8.99 6.99 6.99 Frame 24.49 56.99 120.00 29.99 52.99 Main Gear 11.25 18.99 13.49 22.99 6.99 Tail Drive Gear xxxxx 18.04 11.99 17.99 5.99 Tail Slider 11.25 18.44 9.99 26.66 8.99 Tail Grips 7.49 5.99 15.99 12.99 7.99 Blade Grips 9.49 9.99 51.99 14.99 39.99------------------Raptor---Vibe------T-Rex------Pantera--TZ V2Sub Total 2-------142.16---236.76----320.87-----241.81---129.93PART SET 3 Tail Drive Gear 6.59 xxxxx xxxx xxxxx xxxxx Canopy 22.49 47.49 82.99 38.99 29.99 Mixing Arm xxxx xxxxx 19.99 xxxxx xxxxx Washout Arm xxxxx xxxxx 20.99 xxxx xxxxx Belt 26.99 xxxxx xxxx 24.49 14.99 Clutch Bell 16.49 18.99 15.99 14.99 11.99 Pinion 5.99 11.39 4.99 5.99 7.99 Fuel Tank 8.99 12.34 10.99 13.99 8.99 Swash 27.99/52.99 49.87 37.99 29.99 18.99 Tail Rotor Hub 5.89 40.37 33.99 23.00 5.99------------------Raptor---Vibe------T-Rex------Pantera--TZ V2Total ------------235.59---417.21----548.79-----393.25---98.93[B]i took these numbers from a post in main discussion that got deleted a few days ago dont know who did it originally but thanks just added TZ frenzy to it1.Frenzy 275.47 2.Raptor 445.65 3.Pantera 742.27 4.Vibe 757.3 5.Trex 967.08 (multiple in pack/sport is cheaper) |
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| pita
rrApprentice MO US |
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| kazager
rrApprentice Waldorf, MD - USA |
Cost for $300 you can have 2 complete kits, you do the math. |
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| ProModeler
rrElite Veteran Sanford, FL (Orlando area) |
Tail boom, main shaft, tail output shaft, spindle shaft, flybar, plus landing gear legs, radio platforms, fin sets, and blades.However, when you do break a big ticket item, like a set of main frames, you're going to spend a mere $30 for those of a Pantera versus quite a bit more for other helis. Moreover, unlike other polymer frame designs, like Thunder Tiger Raptor and Hirobo SDX, our frames secure the servos and protect them while theirs have a separate servo carrier, which snaps off to protect the servos, but is quite time consuming to replace. Pantera servos mount directly within the protected side frames.Further to this, carbon fiber or G10 side frame helicopters are quite time consuming to work on. Worse, in a crash they crack like an egg because they are also fragile. Why? Because it's so rigid it cracks instead of flexing. Furthermore, the material may delaminate with stress leading to hidden weaknesses, and in a crash the failed edges create sharp edges, which leads to an increase in damaged radio components (e.g. slicing through servo wires). Ultimately, for nearly everybody, a polymer frame, which dampens vibrations instead of transmiting vibrations is better for our models, which feature engines pounding away at 17k RPM, understand?There are other issues to consider beyond mere replacement parts prices. Note the rather high expense of main rotor blade grips for some of the machines in the list provided by the fellow above. Simply put, they're expensive because they're aluminum. Here's the rest of the story . . . unlike polymer blade grips, which flex in a crash and spring back ready for more, aluminum grips may bend. As a consequence, in a crash, which breaks the blades, there's a distinct possibility of the main rotor blade grips being tweaked as well. Suddenly, if you're flying a machine like a TZ Frenzy, add in frame and grips and your crash cost just shot through the roof. This may make sense to some folks, but it sure doesn't make sense to our customers!But there's more because not only are aluminum main rotor blade grips quite pricey to replace, but the really bad thing about an aluminum main rotor blade grip is this. Short of owning a special jig into which you can insert them follwoing a crash (to see if they're OK to re-use), it may be quite difficult to ascertain if they are ever so slightly bent. Who cares? You should because this may result in wasted time and money trying to track down vibrations (to which the flat plate and block helicopters are already prone to) resulting in your screwing around with these kinds of problems at the field when you're supposed to be out having fun! Sadly, rookies and folks easily influenced by others automatically assume an aluminum main rotor blade grip is superior when nothing could be further from the truth! But that's what you get when 2-gallon experts are busy shooting off their keyboards on the Internet instead of buring fuel.Ask this question of the group . . . which of the helis listed fly the smoothest, hover better, and perform precise maneuvers (like those typified of F3C) better? The fact is the Pantera is universally praised for it's smooth and precise flight characteristics. So don't be too quick to assume pricey aluminum blade grips are better at anything except opening your wallet for money, so take this into account when calculating expenses! And this goes for aluminum tail rotor grips as well. And by the way, while you're at it, inquire which of the machines in the list have triple bearing one-piece tail rotor grips. The Pantera has a pair of ball bearings and a set of thrust bearings, and uses strong one-piece tail rotor grips. If you take time to learn a bit about model helis you'll soon discover parts prices don't really explain much of anything!Meanwhile, some have derided a Pantera as a wash-and-wear helicopter because of the polymer materials. The fact is, I accept these derisive comments with pride precisely because the model is so tough, it flexes before breaking. Moreover, the sophisticated fiber reinforced polymer material is so forgiving it actually damps vibrations instead of amplifying them, and as a consequence, the model is smoother and easier to set up.There's more however. Execpting the Vibe, the clutch of the other two machines mentioned are derived from 30-class models and are thus, quite tiny. They simply cannot harness the horsepower of larger engines without giving trouble. Why do I mention this? Because the Pantera is the only 50-class model expressly designed for customers to upgrade to a larger engine. What this means is when a few guys are foolish enough to fork over 300 bucks for a new OS55 (because it make a few tenths of a horsepower more than the Hyper), savvy Pantera owners can shoehorn a 70, 80, or even 91-class engine into their Pantera instead and, quite simply, blow them away!Another thing not mentioned in the rather superficial comparison by the fellow who listed parts prices. I speak of the relative size of bearings in the machines mentioned. Again excepting the Vibe, those machines use bearings, which are 40% smaller than the bearings used in the main shaft of the Pantera. Yet the bearings are the very foundation of the helicopter precisely because it carries all the loads! After all, you do know what happens when you start off with a weak foundation don't you? Here's an interesting idea; visit the forums of these other machines, especially in the case of the cheap Chinese plate and block design (even including not so cheap CHinese models from Align, like their 600N). Why interesting? Because you'll learn customers are complaining about the bearings not lasting, or being too small - and for good reason!Ultimately, part prices don't even begin to tell the whole story. So when you see superficial comparisons, which list parts prices, remember the old saw, The figures don't lie but the liars figure. John Beech AMA # 47381 IRCHA #745 |
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| kazager
rrApprentice Waldorf, MD - USA |
Different Strokes 1st, John, that was very insightful. Have you considered selling a few different "crash kits" based on your data, even if there was overlap, who wouldn't get an extra main shaft or whatever, I think you see what I mean?
2nd, different strokes for different folks, and different heli's for different purposes. I think the Pantera is built tough, and the thing I really appreciate is knowing if I bury it nose first to the tail rotor it's only going to cost me $150 (& I can do it twice). Of course I consider the component costs, but they will be the same regardless of what heli you buy if they are damaged. Knowing that let's me try things that I wouldn't try with the Carbon Fiber counterpart, that costs $550. So for me, the Pantera gives me a mental edge, because like you, cost is a factor, a BIG factor. |
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| ProModeler
rrElite Veteran Sanford, FL (Orlando area) |
John Beech AMA # 47381 IRCHA #745 |
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rrProfessor USA |
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| wthford
rrVeteran Monticello, Illinois |
 You know... an "I feel for ya" kind of gift...You are pretty generous as a whole though. And, I have appreciated it when you were. You can't beat the service and quick shipping you'll be from JB. A pleasure to do business with. And, if you have time, you can give him a call sometime and just "shoot the bull" with him. As you can tell, he does like to chat. |
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| billm
rrElite Veteran Liberty Lake, WA |
The laundry list that whats his butt from dead wood city is flawed. |
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| Timp.dk
rrApprentice Denmark |
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| brown1957
rrNovice Newton,ks |
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| pertti
rrNovice deltona,FL |
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rrProfessor The Villages, Florida 💎Sustaining Member |
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