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09-15-2009 08:40 AM  11 years ago
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Setting up/Programming Jive
I'm finally getting the Jive set up on a 700E, as this is my first E heli and have never programmed an ESC before, I need some help.

I've read the Jive Manual but not sure that I understand everything and want to make sure I'm doing the right things and in the right sequence.

I was going to programme APM (Mode 1)and Heli mode(Mode 4), is there any need to program any others?

Can someone please confirm that I have the right sequences.

Mode 1:

1) Start with normal throttle curve 0-100
2) Connect master lead from Jive to throttle port on RX
3) Connect Slave to any other RX port
4) Switch on transmitter
5) Switch on RX (using external 4.8 NiCad as safety)
6) Set throttle/collective stick to low stick
7) Connect main battery packs to ESC
8) Wait 2 sec or until you hear tone
9) Remove jumper plug - should hear tone indicating entering program mode
10) Move throttle/collective stick to High stick - should hear tone.
11) Disconnect batteries, Main Packs and NiCad.

Mode 4:

1) Program TX Slider as Throttle control
2) Plug in jumper
3) Start with normal Throttle curve 0-100
4) Switch on transmitter
5) Switch on Rx 4.8 NiCad
6) Set TX slider to low throttle (motor off position), can this low throttle slider position be at whichever end of the slider limits that you choose?
7) Connect main battery to ESC
8) Wait 2 sec or until you hear tone
9) Remove jumper - there will be a series of tones indicating you have entered programming mode
10) Move slider to full throttle (opposite end of slider limit)- will hear more beeps
11) Disconnect batteries, Main packs and NiCad

Something else I'm not sure about after doing this, is there a need to set the Throttle ATV endpoint percentages. Does this procedure set up the ESC so it has some headroom for the governor to work properly?

Anyway, I'm not sure about any of this so if someone is kind enough to tell me exactly what to do I would be very grateful.

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09-15-2009 11:04 AM  11 years ago
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as the Jive has BEC you dont need the RX Nicd pack.

also, between step 9 and 10, you should wait for the correct number of beeps, 1 for Mode 1, and 4 for Mode 4.

After your done, lower ATV to 50 on low side, plug in main pack, raise the ATV until it arms (80ish on all spektrum), set same number on high side, (83/83 on all spektrum)
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09-15-2009 12:56 PM  11 years ago
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Thanks MrMel,

I realise the Jive has a BEC but am only using the nicad for a safety measure after reading this in the manual.
Even if I am using a additional external nicad as safety, when programming, is there any need to plug the nicad in? can I just use the main packs then only plug in the nicad when flying?

Apart from waiting for the beeps, is everything else ok?

When programming mode 4 using the slider, does it matter what position your throttle/collective stick is in?

I take it the the default setting is that the Jive comes from the factory with Governor mode ON?

When setting the throttle ATV, I understand what you mean setting the lower throttle travel limit to 50 then raise up until it beeps, what does this beep mean?

Another question I have is in the manual it talks about using the slider to start the motor. Is this how the Jive works, you use the slider for throttle and stick for collective only? or can you change the throttle fucntion back to the collective stick once programmed?

I'm using a 14MZ on 2.4Ghz and using Outrage XP25 packs as 10S (2x5S)
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09-15-2009 03:25 PM  11 years ago
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You can use BEC to program, NiCd to fly.

I never use a slider, I program a 0-100 curve on the throttle stick.
And during flight its not needed, unless you run APM mode where you have to go to 100% throttle first, then back down, each spoolup, but thats not recommended.
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09-15-2009 04:11 PM  11 years ago
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ok, so if APM (mode 1) is no recommended is it best just to program mode 4 using the throttle/collective stick and not worry about programing any other mode?

I take it that the governor is set to ON as the default?
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09-15-2009 04:15 PM  11 years ago
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Mode 1 = Reset/Back to basic.

So I do a Mode 1 first, then Mode 4, just to make sure no old programm is in there.

with Mode 4 Governor is ON.
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09-15-2009 06:37 PM  11 years ago
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sorry to sound stupid! maybe I'm missing something here, but looking at the Jive Manual, the only difference in programming sequence between mode 1 and mode 4 that I can see is the use of a slider in mode 4, and some extra beeps in mode 4. So how does the Jive know which mode you are programming?
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09-15-2009 06:40 PM  11 years ago
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When you plug in the pack, and remove the little Jumper it start to beep.
First one, then twice and so on, when you hear 4 you raise the throttle stick to max.

That way it knows you selected Mode 4 since you raised the stick at 4 beeps.
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09-15-2009 08:27 PM  11 years ago
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Thanks MrMel, now I understand thanks heaps. I'll give it a go.
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09-16-2009 08:50 PM  11 years ago
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ok, so I've tried to program this thing, I connect everything up, hear the beeps after connecting the main packs, then pull off the jumper, but after I pull off the jumper the only tone I hear is like a short gear griding sound, then if I wait another 20-30 sec I hear the same sound again. This wasn't what I was expecting to hear?
Should the tones I'm meant to hear be the same sound as when I connected the main packs?
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09-16-2009 08:53 PM  11 years ago
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You should hear same tones, but going downwards on the scale Bi-be-bo.Gone fishing..or hunting..or something
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09-16-2009 09:15 PM  11 years ago
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I've got it sorted, just had to reverse the throttle channel
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09-17-2009 11:58 AM  11 years ago
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Mr Mel,

I'm about to set up the throttle curves and have a few more questions.

- Is the Governor ON in all flight modes, Normal, idle up 1 and idle up 2?

I've heard the Jive has a sweet spot around the 85% throttle curve mark, Is this the best setting for efficiency and being easy on the battery packs at the same time? I'm using Outrage XP25 packs.

With the Jive ESC, how do you set the head speed? Do you control it using the throttle curves, which would be flat because of the governor?

I've set the throttle endpoints at 80%, so this is actually 100%?. If I only use normal and idle up 1 mode, would I set the idle up 1 curve at 85% (ESC sweet spot) of 80 which = 68? correct? and normal could be something lower like 50%?

- Is soft/smooth start set as the default from the factory? or do I need Program card 1 for this?
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09-17-2009 12:05 PM  11 years ago
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governor is always on, so my curves looks like this;

Normal: 0-50-50-50-50
Idle1: 75-75-75-75-75 (i.e. flat)

You control the headspeed by setting your curve, 80% will render higher HS then 75% and so on.

85% I would say is max, most likely you will find best performance on a outrage XP 25C at 75-80%
For newer Hyperion or TP45C 85% is no problem.
(it also depends much on ambient temp etc as it affects internal resistance of the pack)

When you have "calibrated the endpoints" down to 80% or whatever is the lowest you can go with it still arming, then yes, 100% = 100% real, so if you want to run it at 85%, it should read 85% in the radio.
If you havent calibrated, then when your at 83% or so your actually at 100 in the esc..

Yes, softstart is always enabled.
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09-17-2009 12:25 PM  11 years ago
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Thanks MrMel,

I understand all except the throttle curve setting. Yes I have calibrated the endpoints and the ESC arms at 80%. So I thought that this meant 80% was actually 100% throttle, meaning if I wanted to set the throttle curve to the Jive sweetspot of say 85%, I would work it out as: 85/100x80 = 68% flat curve. Is this correct?
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09-17-2009 12:38 PM  11 years ago
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No, if you calibrated the radio, the % matching both, so 85% on your radio = 85% on the Jive.

Its only if you have NOT calibrated it the equation is valid.
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