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09-17-2009 08:52 PM  11 years ago
what_the_helli

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I am really enjoying my first FBL, a Gyrobot - but don't narrow your choices down to V-Bar or Axiom
yes but there is a huge $ difference between gyrobot and axiom
I put the fun in dysFUNctional :)
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09-17-2009 09:29 PM  11 years ago
Ronald Thomas

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Uh the Gyrobot is $419 and the Axiom is $380. $40 is not that huge.Team MikadoUSA 480XXTreme, 550SX, 600SX, 700XXTreme, 800XXTreme!!
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09-17-2009 09:50 PM  11 years ago
what_the_helli

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no $40 is not but the the price I found was

GB 700 + Cockpit Sport $559 USD
vs
Axiom $349 w/programmer

that is over a 50% difference, and that is fairly significant
I put the fun in dysFUNctional :)
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09-17-2009 10:05 PM  11 years ago
SpeedVision

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yes but there is a huge $ difference between gyrobot and axiom
And there is a huge price difference between a Mercedes and a Kia, so what's your point?

At least we know that a Kia goes down the road straight.

Until we have unbiased opinions from the general public, the Axiom is just hype and a "price"...
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09-18-2009 02:09 AM  11 years ago
Mojave

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I have a VBAR and have also been considering the Axiom or new Skookum systems for another bird. I'll make one valid point here: I needed a repair on my VBAR unit and it had to be sent to readyheli, who then sent it to Mikado in europe for repair. The customer service was AWESOME, but my heli was still on the bench for over 1 month while I waited for the part to get fixed and returned from europe. If Mikado had a US based repair facility, or a certified repair tech at readyheli, the turn around time would have been faster. OK so most folks will say that this unit rarely has problems, but I say EVERYBODY crashes eventually...
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09-18-2009 02:20 AM  11 years ago
Ronald Thomas

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GB 700 + Cockpit Sport (not needed) $559 USD
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Axiom $349 w/programmer Where did you find that price??
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09-18-2009 02:29 AM  11 years ago
what_the_helli

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Axiom w/ programmer $349

while the cockpit might not be needed I don't want to lug my laptop around.
And there is a huge price difference between a Mercedes and a Kia, so what's your point?
My point was I didn't consider a Gyrobot due to it was more than I wanted to spend. (you can find a used v-bar for about the same cost as an axiom, you don't see many used gyrobots) by the way I never said it was not worth it.
I put the fun in dysFUNctional :)
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09-18-2009 02:30 AM  11 years ago
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You can get it for $350 hear.
http://www.inertiarc.com/products
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09-18-2009 02:44 AM  11 years ago
SpeedVision

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don't see many used gyrobots
You must not have seen mine when I sold it...
you can find a used v-bar for about the same cost
Naturally. There's probably +/-100 VBars for every 1 Gyrobot out there.
Axiom $349 w/programmer
Based on my research on the SJGD website (Axiom Manufacturer), it doesn't appear to have any PC software, hence the programmer is standard. If so, that means you probably won't be able to save different programs. I could be wrong...
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09-18-2009 03:08 AM  11 years ago
jbdww

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SpeedVision, it sounds like you have a lot against other gyros. Man you are rough.Skids Up
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09-18-2009 03:40 AM  11 years ago
SpeedVision

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SpeedVision, it sounds like you have a lot against other gyros. Man you are rough.
Naaa. I had bad luck with the Gyrobot, maybe it was a fluke. I really liked it at first, but the user interface (quirky) and my inability to get the tail the way I liked it caused me to ditch it. On top if it, I couldn't get any help from LF and even my distributor was frustrated. Seems to be gathering a following, so great.

I was one of the very first batch of SK-360's when Skookum came on the scene. We all had problems at first, but Skookum (Art) was responsive and went out of his way to make it right. I would buy again from Skookum any day of the week. I sold my 360 for the Gyrobot because I wanted 3-axis on my 450 sized machine. Unfortunately, I have what I need so the SK-720 won't a be necessary for me.

At IRCHA, I spent some time with Curtis and his technical director Brian (mainly Brian). I know details about that gyro that few know. Seems like a great piece with tons of functionality (amazing, actually). Looks great too. Once again, lot's of potential and I'm sure Curtis will pull it of in fine style.

What gets under my skin is this mystical perception that a yet to be released product can somehow compete with the other systems that have proven user experience. If I rocks, I'll eat my words, but it will be a long time before get a chance to let my thumbs determine whether the Axiom can back up the claims. By then, I'll probably be off on anotherr tangent anyway.

If it were all about price everyone would just buy the Gaui GU-365 flybarless? I think those bad boys are 199 bucks for fantastic, state of the art, easy to setup, 3-axis unit, right?
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09-18-2009 11:10 AM  11 years ago
Ben-T-Spindle

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Looks to me like anything made in Europe will be overpriced in the US. For other products they seam to be about 4 times the cost (or more) of Asian products. The quality if Asian products and really improved lately so that’s definitely doing to be the future of affordable RC.

... BTS
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09-18-2009 11:17 AM  11 years ago
OICU812

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If it were all about price everyone would just buy the Gaui GU-365 flybarless? I think those bad boys are 199 bucks for fantastic, state of the art, easy to setup, 3-axis unit, right?
...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...
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09-18-2009 05:39 PM  11 years ago
Oat

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Flybarless....Use V-Bar or New Axiom
V-Stabi, Proven and getting better all the time.
Agree with OICU812 as statement above.
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09-18-2009 06:47 PM  11 years ago
BOOGIE

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All I can say is the Mikado has a great system. That said I have only used there systemMSH USA / Lynx Heli Innovations
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09-19-2009 03:59 PM  11 years ago
Eury

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When i look at them, I don't see any real reason to buy an Axiom. The price advantage isn't significant over a V-bar or Gyrobot 700, both of which are proven systems and are great.

As for those 2, I have both, and having flown them for a few months, I like the feel of the Gyrobot better. The tail feels the same, and both hold perfectly. The difference I see is the Gyrobot feels a bit more solid and less floaty. Also, once you buy the programmer, it is less money to buy multiple Gyrobot 700s than the V-bar. Pretty close to the same price as an Axiom for a proven system. The programming isn't as intuitive, but just following the instructions made it easy to get a perfectly flying heli.

Now if the Axiom comes out and proves that it is a solid system, then that opinion may change. But it needs to prove itself in the marketplace.
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09-19-2009 05:01 PM  11 years ago
SpeedVision

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As for those 2, I have both, and having flown them for a few months, I like the feel of the Gyrobot better.
Ahhh, yes. Another unbiased opinion from an Esprit Models flight team member...

For all your Gyrobot needs, feel free to call Esprit.

Since Mikado only distributes through ReadyHeli, I'm sure there's no crew loyalty going on here. Just like the penguin and the oak tree, right? Hehehe.
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09-19-2009 06:22 PM  11 years ago
Eury

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Sure, I don't pay for my stuff. Wait, I do and I paid more for the Gyrobot than I did the V-bar. Also please disregard all the posts where I liked the V-bar better before I got the Gyrobot tuned in.

Buy whatever you like, I like the feel of my Gyrobot better, and I own both. If you want to fly both, come down and fly my helis, then YOU can give an unbiased opinion since I am obviously unable. That offer is open to anyone who is capable of flying a heli. I'll have both on buddy boxes next Sunday at my club's funfly.
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09-20-2009 05:08 AM  11 years ago
F1 Rocket

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Ahhh, yes. Another unbiased opinion from an Esprit Models flight team member...
As a business it is our policy to be brand neutral. We look for quality product and make it available to our customers and team members alike. Currently, we stock and support the GyroBot, SK-360, HeliCommand, and Rondo FBL systems. We will stock the Axiom, SK-720, and Total G systems when available as well and would stock V-Bar if Mikado allowed. Aside from the business, this is also a hobby for us all. As individuals each of us has our own preference. I happen to like the GyroBot, my co-worker David fly’s the SK-360, and a few of our team members really like V-Bar. I think it’s cool we have this variety as it allows us to compare all the various products and give better feedback to our customers. I can’t wait to try the new systems myself.

Danny
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09-20-2009 02:00 PM  11 years ago
SpeedVision

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As a business it is our policy to be brand neutral.
Absolutely! Since anything less could have an impact on how your customers choose to use their credit cards on the thousands of other products you sell...

I've bought a few things from Esprit and you've been great to work with.

Just keep in mind that anyone who has Esprit Model in their signiature could have an impact on your policy of neutrality, regardless of whether they are on the payroll or not.
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