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09-16-2009 01:31 AM  10 years ago
bstock

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Just to help it make some sense... watched the news... Obama was in PA today.

Seems that was what it was all about.
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09-16-2009 07:33 PM  10 years ago
MartyH

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Unless there was a specific incident, the Secret Service is not going to show up because someone was flying an R/C model. You'd have to be in the direct vicinity of the President and flying irradically or acting in an odd manner and someone contacts authorities before you'd see anyone.
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09-16-2009 09:26 PM  10 years ago
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C. The following operations are not authorized within this TFR:
They are not giving you a thumbs up but they are not going to send in the swat team. It's an ass covering maneuver. If a model plane somehow causes a problem they can reply "hey, we told those overgrown kids we didn't approve of this behavior". As stated before, it is a notice to airmen. Not model aircraft enthusiasts. This is why you don't complain when models are referred to as "toys".
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09-16-2009 10:15 PM  10 years ago
yzchopper

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As stated before, it is a notice to airmen. Not model aircraft enthusiasts.
The FAA does not care either way. You to them are flying an aircraft in closed airspace. You may not be in the aircraft but it is in the air and you are piloting it. Therefore you are considered an airman to them so you now have been given the NOTAM (Notice to Airman). You may be right about them not going to send in the swat team but either way I for one would not want to see who they send and then be the one responsible for having a drastic measure (such as being banned) taken against the RC modeling world. Also as for stating
Not model aircraft enthusiasts
you apparently did not read this
C. The following operations are not authorized within this TFR: flight training, practice instrument approaches, aerobatic flight, glider operations, parachute operations, ultralight, hang gliding, balloon operations, agriculture/crop dusting, animal population control flight operations, banner towing operations, model aircraft operations, model rocketry, and unmanned aircraft systems (UAS).
It may not be worded exactly like you worded it but it is in there so that means you as an enthusiasts are included.

Steve
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09-16-2009 11:31 PM  10 years ago
paintball_kidz

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its for 3 hours guys... calm down.
nearing the winter olympics here in BC, we have a no-fly within 50miles or something like that for 2 months?
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09-17-2009 01:44 AM  10 years ago
Havoc

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you apparently did not read this
No I read it as well as the sentances before it. Not being "authorized" by the FAA is not the same as being banned. The FAA doesn't authorize you to take a dump on that day either but you can still do it. The FAA does care enough not to force an issue that might result in removing what authority they have assumed in regards to model airplane use. So they are not going to run around a rip your Blade Mcx out of your hand or anything else that is obviously not a real threat.
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09-17-2009 03:07 AM  10 years ago
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unfortunately it was true..
i fly in the greater northeast phila. and it was enforced by our club vp......couldnt even try it or i would have been banned from a club that i belong to for 18 yrs. now....go figure...he was over 25 miles away and we couldnt fly...would i really be able to even fly that far!!!???
which way is it going dude!!!!!!?? am i inverted??
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09-17-2009 03:45 AM  10 years ago
drdot

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fwiw..

I have for many years been a full scale pilot....One of my favorite t-shirts read :"Fly with freedom...Disband the FAA"...Still feel that way..Same reason the AMA is on my short list for shutting down our club field for "Dangerous" flight activities that the AMA promotes by selling 3D videos of hovering aircraft on their home website...With common sense I never argue ...Term rarely applies to ANY govt. entity or activity...

John.
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09-17-2009 03:54 AM  10 years ago
GimbalFan (RIP)

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Disband the FAA
Brilliant suggestion.
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09-17-2009 04:11 AM  10 years ago
drdot

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fwiw..

Thanks...But I really can't take credit for it.....

John.
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09-17-2009 04:17 AM  10 years ago
UH-60PILOT

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Yeap, the way I read it, you can't fly but realistically, they would probably never even pick you up on radar especially if you were flying anywhere with trees around you or anything that would mask your return.Kenny Thompson
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09-17-2009 04:29 AM  10 years ago
drdot

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fwiw..

Precisely my point...They make a pronouncement that's unenforceable, most people to whom it is directed won't have heard of it, yet we are supposed to just follow along...That common sense thing, y'know....

John.
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09-17-2009 04:40 AM  10 years ago
max232

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what would they do,send in a couple F-16's to shoot down your heli
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09-17-2009 04:53 AM  10 years ago
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I was hovering my bladecp in a parking lot next the airport, where FAA office is, they didn't like that.ಠ_ಠ HBK2 built with inexpensive parts! ٩๏̯͡๏)۶ Gaui425
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09-17-2009 06:29 AM  10 years ago
whoamis

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Flying near an airport isn't so swift, is it?

You don't actually have to collide with an aircraft to create an unsafe situation.

Imagine your daughter in landing approach on her first solo...

Some actions make it harder to defend the hobby. Let's all not be that guy.
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09-17-2009 07:43 AM  10 years ago
Portblock

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If you do not need clearance to fly, then this is not a restriction for you. your RC heli is not considered a UAV (unless you make it a little bigger)

Now this does not conclude you can fly you RC heli over an airport, or in this VIP's aircrafts way, that would be illegal, not becouse you are "flying" but rather "obstructing"

As as far as the AMA telling, yea right, they can go fly a glider as far as I am concerned.

Ok, peeps are going to flame me now, so go ahead.
The voices in my head can beat up the voices in your head.
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09-17-2009 11:23 AM  10 years ago
MartyH

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The bottom line is, 1) if you're in a TFR or restricted by a NOTAM, don't violate it. 2) if you do violate it by simply continuing to fly at your local field you'll VERY likely never hear from any government agency. 3) The TFR or NOTAM is something authorities will pile on if they do take issue with your activity and it looks good to the public. 4) You'll be making poor representation of yourself and this hobby and we'll have to come club you for being so selfish. 5) but, we don't have to like the temporary restriction.
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09-17-2009 11:38 AM  10 years ago
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Several years ago GW flew into the airport where I was working. Secret Service everywhere of course, but one of the things I noticed was a large black van with antennas poking out of it all over the place. Never seen so many antennas on a vehicle in my life. Many were for communications necessary to the operation, I'm sure. But I couldn't help wonder if the technology inside the van allowed, with the push of a button, to disable all communications in the area. That would include RC aircraft. So, if you were flying your model in a TFR, and they wanted you out of the air, it's possible you may have a broken smoken' heli on the ground, and never really know what just happened, unless of course you see a dark van driving off in the distance....

-Mark
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09-17-2009 11:47 AM  10 years ago
MartyH

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If it was an all incompassing ability like that they'd be disrupting all sort of communication and we'd definately know about it. They'd be zapping Emergency Services, cellular, pagers, computer networks etc. Anyway, the TFR has moved on to someone else's area now. We can relax. hehe.
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09-17-2009 12:07 PM  10 years ago
hootowl

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If something happened with an RC aircraft involved and they didn't have some sort of restriction in place, guess what.... the media would have a free-for-all against the FAA, the Gov and the RC community.

This is the right thing to do. They put out notice and are covering their arses.

There is a heightened sense of security normally when a President is in the area, even outside the so-called security perimeter. Especially with this Pres.
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