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09-15-2009 03:16 AM  11 years ago
ruddernate

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i think we understood the spotter thing was a joke about 3 pages ago. at least i did.fly it like you stole it
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09-15-2009 03:17 AM  11 years ago
Eco8gator

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I hate to say this but the "box" is not really respected at any event. I was at IRCHA and for the days I was there no one ever(well no one that I was next to) purely stayed in their boxes...heck I found my self out of my box every now and then with a 450 and I know darn sure that a Turbine and quite a few other helis were in my box...even some of the demos extended into my box.

I have no clue what the pilot on the left was doing before that. Furious was probably gearing up for a HS pass and looked over and didnt see anything. The guy to the left decideds to go into a hover manuver which happened to be where the Logo was going...BOOM! This is all speculation though

I think it would have been a better call to fly slightly farther out for the HS pass...FAI guys(and Matt Botos) did it at IRCHA.

Sucks to see it happen but hey its part of the hobby.

Hope that this gets resolved...and if it wasnt a rule in the beginning to have a spotter then no one is at fault(maybe the club for not inforcing the rules before the fact). IRCHA guys were all over us to have spotters and were quick to make sure we had one. Remember, boys will be boys so someone has to lay down the rules

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09-15-2009 03:19 AM  11 years ago
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Friend of mine pulled this canopy out of the trash and made this picture. Pretty funny!

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09-15-2009 03:21 AM  11 years ago
Spitfire1

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Its interesting to see how some people strongly beleive if theres a mishap then who ever was responsible should pay up, and others have a completely different view on the matter.
Its impossible watching the video to really know the full circumstances.
What if the Logo guy was screaming up and down the runway doing fast passes and without his knowledge the trex700 guy fired up and began to hover over the runway?
Should have a laugh about it IMO and move on.
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09-15-2009 03:33 AM  11 years ago
Zaaaguy72

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He left his flying area, doesnt matter what the 700 guy did. Dirtbags don't take responsibility, and gentlemen do.Team Sanjel!
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09-15-2009 03:49 AM  11 years ago
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If everyone would really stay in there box, then midairs like this wouldn't happen. The event CD says that it was specifically stated in the pilots meeting that the pilots were expected to stay in there respective boxes. Someone flies at high speed into another person's box and hits their helicopter while they are hovering in front of themselves, clearly in their box. How is this "just one of those things that happens"? The only reason that it happened was that someone didn't follow the rules. Whether or not they like the rules, is irrelevant. By signing up for the FF they give tacit assent to the rules of the event. I would venture a guess that they did more than that. Any FF I've been to has required me to sign a written agreement to abide by the rules of the event. All this is water past the dam at this point, but does have some relevance for the future. I'd like to go to a FF with some reasonable hope of returning home with my $2000.00 toys intact, not having to worry that someone who ignores the rules will trash them and then try to blame some nonexistent spotter or claim that "it's all just a part of the hobby"? I'm far from perfect and have made plenty of my own mistakes, but unless everyone agrees to actually follow the rules, things like this will happen. Fun flies, will no longer be fun, and folks will stay home. Why not just admit that a mistake was made and move on? So far I've seen plenty of excuses. I spent 20 years of my life racing and the analogy given there is just plain false. I've seen racers banned for being unsafe or unsportsmanlike. Every aspect of life has rules which must be followed. There's no reason for FF's to degenerate into a free for all. steve.
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09-15-2009 03:56 AM  11 years ago
cudaboy_71

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5 pages illustrating the point of FF pilot meetings.

no ground rules, and every joe and his brother get to say what the 'right thing' is.

if the ground rules are "no fault", then tough cookies. no fault. if the ground rules are 'stay in your box or pay the damages', then pay for your carnage.

if you don't like the rules, then don't fly. if you don't attend the pilot's meeting, then you can't complain when you don't like the outcome when it adheres the rules.

yes, some guys will feel obligated to pay when they know it's their fault regardless. but, it's not appropriate to call names when the rules are being followed.
My name is Mike and I was the Cd of this event. Lets get some things straight here, at the pilots meeting I was very clear just like all fun-flys if you were going to fly side to side you must be out past the weeds.The second thing you should know is that he went past 2 flight stations to get to the T-Rex 700. Enough said about that.
seems pretty clear cut that the mikado pilot broke the ground rules. if you read the thread, the mikado pilot fulfilled his obligations of the infraction. so, maybe he got some help from the LHS in footing the bill. that's of no consequence to the 700 pilot who gets his parts. what's the conflict here?
if it ain't broke, break it.
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09-15-2009 03:56 AM  11 years ago
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Spitfire1,
They were told to STAY IN THERE FLIGHT BOX OR GO PAST THE WEEDS,did you not see that part that was posted 2-3 times ,here it is again
Hi Guys
My name is Mike and I was the Cd of this event. Lets get some things straight here, at the pilots meeting I was very clear just like all fun-flys if you were going to fly side to side you must be out past the weeds.The second thing you should know is that he went past 2 flight stations to get to the T-Rex 700. Enough said about that
.You said "its impossible watching the video to really know the full circumstances" ,how far away do the weeds look to you ?
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09-15-2009 04:01 AM  11 years ago
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There is a way to prevent this...make bigger boxes.

It was always explained to me that that box is where most of a pilots maneuvers should be concentrated. Some maneuvers go beyond the box but typically happen at a different depth in the entire flight line...

Now that there is a single prime example of it happening people get all crazy about it trying to be Mr. Innocent and play the judge and jury thing. I’m pretty sure just about every one that has posted in this thread either does not have the ability to go past the "box" or has violated the "box" boundaries some how.

Unfortunately this is the end result of that happening.

All I know is small boxes make for big crashes....make them bigger
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09-15-2009 04:19 AM  11 years ago
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or has violated "box" some how
Sorry I couldn't resist
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09-15-2009 04:19 AM  11 years ago
ScaleBrad

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Why not have a mandatory $2000 cash deposit for each pilot in order to fly?

See how many pilots will show up then....
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09-15-2009 04:39 AM  11 years ago
Zaaaguy72

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Phil!Team Sanjel!
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09-15-2009 04:53 AM  11 years ago
Girard Ibanez

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I know that feeling ... had a mid air in LV ... As a gentlemen and fellow pilot I took full responsibility, my fault or not. In the end, it all worked out.
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09-15-2009 05:17 AM  11 years ago
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So, for the "NO FAULT" believers, it is ok to go to a funfly and fly however we want without any worry about damaging someone else's heli or worse yet, injuring somebody.

What if the 700 pilot had just walked out to set his heli down and the Logo came whizzing by? The Logo pilot nor his spotter apparently did not even bother to look down the line to see if it was clear to do a HS pass. Accidents happen, HS pass going past 2 flight boxes is not an accident.

I do feel better knowing that I can fly balls to the wall down the flight line without having to worry about paying for someone else's heli that "I" fly into.

Yeah this was an unlucky incident, but it does not release any pilot from liability at these funflys. If YOU DO something out of line or stupid, then yes, you should be liable for damages or at least appologize and do whats right which apparently was the case with this incident. No one was hurt, and compensation has been made, so it looks everything worked out for both individuals.
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09-15-2009 05:47 AM  11 years ago
cudaboy_71

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So, for the "NO FAULT" believers, it is ok to go to a funfly and fly however we want without any worry about damaging someone else's heli or worse yet, injuring somebody.
i'm neither defending no-fault, nor attacking it. i'm saying when you go to an event and want to fly, you owe it to yourself and the other pilots to attend the pilot's meeting. if you don't like the rules, then don't fly...or plead your case to the CD at that time. as long as ground rules are set BEFORE anyone takes to the air there should be no quibbles about fault.

also, it's safe to assume that all AMA events/fields abide by the general and RC guidelines. so, a 'no-fault' event is not a free-for-all.
if it ain't broke, break it.
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09-15-2009 06:05 AM  11 years ago
Spitfire1

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Spitfire1,
They were told to STAY IN THERE FLIGHT BOX OR GO PAST THE WEEDS,did you not see that part that was posted 2-3 times ,here it is again
I havent read through the entire post in detail, to be honest Im not realy too familiar with the whole fly in a box/station area bussiness.

Im not suggesting I beleive this guy was not in the wrong, I just cant imagine myself personaly asking one of my flying buds to pay for my broken heli even if they were being stupid, put quite simply I dont take it so seriesly, to me its all about boys doing silly things with expensive toys, I would be more inclined to have a laugh about the situation, thats just me though.

EDIT. I think a big part of this hobby is learning to deal with expensive crashes with dignity and good humour, theres nothing worse than seeing some 3d wiz kid hit the deck and start acting like a sniveling little brat. "the servos were too slow, it was a radio glitch!"
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09-15-2009 06:10 AM  11 years ago
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Clearly Logo pilots fault for flying across boxes.No excuse for it.
"End Of Discussion".
I do'nt crash,I just rearrange parts.
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09-15-2009 06:26 AM  11 years ago
rchelichop

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I think the Trex 700 pilot owes the other guy a Logo 500, clearly he was right in his flight path
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09-15-2009 08:42 AM  11 years ago
Spitfire1

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edit. just testing something.
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09-15-2009 09:09 AM  11 years ago
Heliguychris

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Home of the free, and the land of the litigious.
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