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09-14-2009 09:09 PM  11 years ago
mundo330

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Who was at fault?
Sorry but I have to vote against the 700N pilot. Looking at the weeds in the background on the slow-mo the wind is going left to right so the logo pilot is flying the proper pattern. Whenever more than 1 bird is in the airspace standard flight rules should be followed. That is follow the pattern which should be upwind is down the runway line and down wind is flown in a line parallel to but out some distance from runway. The 700N pilot should have been taking the outside line. So he should not be seeking any restitution, the Logo pilot should. Just calling it like I see it!

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09-14-2009 09:14 PM  11 years ago
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To Be Clear
Now to be clear, we weren't using spotters at this time. After much deliberating, the flight stations were moved out further and spread out further and spotters were put into use, so from the video don't be going after the spotter in the video as he was only there working with his flying buddy and helping and didn't necessarily have that official function at that point in time.

Mundo, that is a pretty PLANKISH interpretation of the event, but since you were not at the pilots meeting, stow it. The instruction like most hel funflys were as follows, low level 3D would be in your box, at least 25 feet or more out from the flight line and any fast large passes would be carried out way out past the flight station boxes. The fact that it looks like a runway is because the event was taking place at a planker club flying site. Runways mean squat to heli pilots for the most part.
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09-14-2009 09:15 PM  11 years ago
JEEPWORLD2002

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i ll have to disagree. the logo flew through his box and the 700s box as well dont know how many ff you been to but you supose to stay in a box go out forward as far as u want. secondly is he flying a pattern his heli should have been 40-50' up and doing circuits not a high speed fly by down the whold flight line sorry hes wrong and he admited it ? so whats tyhe point in bring it up more its up to the 700 owner to comer on here and say he did this or that and thats it. periodTrex600n Trex500 Mikado LoGo5003d// Hacker, CastleCreations,Ys 50, JR 7703d/8900, Radix
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09-14-2009 09:17 PM  11 years ago
Steff Giguere

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That is why before going out flying at fun flies, I look at others fly a then decide who I fly with at the same time. Your spotter lets you know what is happening IN some else's space, your should be yours.Team Synergy, Rail blades, Team Scorpion, V-Team
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09-14-2009 09:17 PM  11 years ago
outhouse

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mundo plank rules dont apply and if your relying on which way the weeds are blowing and came at me with a lame exuse like that it would be funny.

dialrotor no one is blaming the spotter or lack of spotter
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09-14-2009 09:19 PM  11 years ago
VooDooX

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the 700 owner did post if you read hes the green guy or is it just someone else pretending to be him :OVelocity 50 "99.9999999999999% of an atom is empty space." also 01001000 01001001
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09-14-2009 09:20 PM  11 years ago
red_z06

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Who was at fault?

Sorry but I have to vote against the 700N pilot. Looking at the weeds in the background on the slow-mo the wind is going left to right so the logo pilot is flying the proper pattern. Whenever more than 1 bird is in the airspace standard flight rules should be followed. That is follow the pattern which should be upwind is down the runway line and down wind is flown in a line parallel to but out some distance from runway. The 700N pilot should have been taking the outside line. So he should not be seeking any restitution, the Logo pilot should. Just calling it like I see it!
Please check the video again. You will find these airplanes were modified to fly without the wings. They were outfitted with a special wings that spins around.

With these spinning wings, the traditional plank upwind/downwind pattern do not apply.

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09-14-2009 09:24 PM  11 years ago
mundo330

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Flight Rules!
It is not plank rules or rotary rules it is flight rules and if your club does not use them then......
I have been flying for over 30 years, started rotary and later went to fixed wing. Now fly both and every club I have been in has pattern rules just like full scale!
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09-14-2009 09:25 PM  11 years ago
ren

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Sure I will stay away of logos just in case!!
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09-14-2009 09:32 PM  11 years ago
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"my boom surgically implanted"

LOL!!!

What a video..WOW
Ugly can be fixed stupid is forever!
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09-14-2009 09:41 PM  11 years ago
ErichF (RIP)

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It is not plank rules or rotary rules it is flight rules and if your club does not use them then......
I have been flying for over 30 years, started rotary and later went to fixed wing. Now fly both and every club I have been in has pattern rules just like full scale!
These rules you refer to are only applicable during fixed wing or mixed operations. It appears you may have never been to a heli funfly, at least not a modern one. What you describe would be typical during the average weekend of flying at the local AMA field. Also, large fixed wing events like the Joe Nall operate in this fashion.

Helicopter fun fly events operate on a different set of airspace deconfliction rules - rules usually laid out during the pilots meeting by the CD, event coordinator, and/or Line Boss. Generally, 3D and hovering manuevers that are performed in a closed circuit or "box" that is marked along the flightline. There may be as many of these boxes that the allowable space may fit, usually 4 or 5. These boxes are on average 100-200 feet across, 200 feet high, and 200 feet deep. Patter-type flying or aerobatics are performed beyond the 200 foot depth at an altitude generally higher than those in the boxes. This is where the spotters really come in handy. When going out to fly a pattern or circuit-style aerobatics, you depart and arrive via your box. You don't depart or arrive to your landing spot through the adjacent boxes. The only exception is if you occupy the box on either end, then it's fine to depart/approach straight in or out. Also, if you happen to be the only one flying on the line, and your spotter confirms, you may sometimes get away with a high speed level pass down the runway. I have been known to do this when at funflies with my Caliber 90 strictly for demo purposes.

The graphic that RedZ06 posted is typical of most flightline setups.

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09-14-2009 09:43 PM  11 years ago
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Your club then Mondo is WRONG.. helis get flight boxes at ALL AMA funflys.

if you aren't into 3D you can fly WAY further out past the others and much higher.. or fly on one of the end boxes to give a little more room.

sorry Mundo but you obviously haven't been to many sanctioned heli events.. or for that matter watched many videos around here.

even the biggest fun fly of them all IRCHA has flight boxes for helis.

So in a word. BZZZZT wrong answer..sorry you don't pass go and do not collect 200 dollars!
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09-14-2009 10:17 PM  11 years ago
Frank Bostwick

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TRADE A LOGO for a TREX!!! I dont think so, Mabey 2 Trexes for a LogoRIP ROMAN
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09-14-2009 10:23 PM  11 years ago
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Hi Guys
My name is Mike and I was the Cd of this event. Lets get some things straight here, at the pilots meeting I was very clear just like all fun-flys if you were going to fly side to side you must be out past the weeds.The second thing you should know is that he went past 2 flight stations to get to the T-Rex 700. Enough said about that.
Furyous is a good guy and will and is taking care of the 700 Pilot. Ed Sare the owner of Dirt Burners (a local hobby shop)is helping to get all of the parts at cost and to try to make this as easy as possible for all involved. Thanks Ed
With all of that said just enjoy the video because these do not come around very often.

Holy crap that was spectacular
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09-14-2009 10:29 PM  11 years ago
dialarotor

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what he said. Thanks Ed, Kudos. And as I have already told Furyous, I'll fly in the box next to him. I know all you wise guys that have seen my stuff, you wouldn't want to run into my Raptors anyway, wouldn't even make a good YouTube video. But I don't remember any Raptors hitting the dirt yesterday, Take that you Trex snobbies.

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09-14-2009 10:33 PM  11 years ago
Ace Dude

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Quite frankly, I don't see why the club or the hobby shop owner should have to go out of their way to accommodate the Trex 700 pilot.

There's only one person who needs to take full financial responsibility for their actions.
  
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09-14-2009 10:36 PM  11 years ago
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Wow,after coming from a motorcycle roadcourse background where everything including stupidity is considered a "racing incident",I sure wish I had raced with most of you guys...I would have never paid for any of my crashes !

If I caused a RC crash I would certainly try to make things right but that's why I only fly by myself or with the tight group of friends I have the honor of flying with now. While we all would do anything in our power to do the right thing,there is also the reality that they are toys and we all take the risk of something crazy happening whenever we lift off.
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09-14-2009 10:39 PM  11 years ago
Furious Predator

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TRADE A LOGO for a TREX!!! I dont think so, Mabey 2 Trexes for a Logo
but the quality and flight characteristics of a Logo are twice as good as any Trex...
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09-14-2009 10:41 PM  11 years ago
Frank Bostwick

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My point exactly! In fact Id just keep my logoRIP ROMAN
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09-14-2009 10:44 PM  11 years ago
Furious Predator

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oh wait, duh, i read it wrong the first time, lol. my failed attempt at poking fun of Trex's Shawn
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