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09-14-2009 03:34 PM  10 years ago
what_the_helli

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I think that where most of us fly and at events as well. We follow a gentlemen rule. If there is a clear mistake made by one pilot then as a fellow modeler he should take responsibility. (I am not saying that is what happened here for sure. As I do not know all the details, but it sure looks that way from the camera angle we see.) Also if an "accident" happens where by you have a mid air that was just a chance happening with no real clear error. Then yes we chalk it up to experience. Last but not least in most cases that I have seen pilots work out the details without to much trouble...
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09-14-2009 03:38 PM  10 years ago
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If there is a clear mistake made by one pilot then as a fellow modeler he should take responsibility. (I am not saying that is what happened here for sure. As I do not know all the details, but it sure looks that way from the camera angle we see.)
It is definatly 110% what happened here. I was standing in between the 2 flight stations when this happend. I saw everything.
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09-14-2009 03:39 PM  10 years ago
Stormovic

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Nobody owes anybody anything. What do you mean my airspace? Says who? Unless somebody is trying to cause a collision then there is no case by either side. Nonsense.
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09-14-2009 03:41 PM  10 years ago
ErichF (RIP)

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When we "FAI guys" fly at funflies, we always keep our aerobatics a good 100 yards out from the flightline, and at least 150 feet up. Spotters are mandatory, and don't watch their pilot's bird. They watch the 3D guys looking for the few that venture out more than a couple hundred feet, and advise their pilot as needed.

Flying a line through the runway flight boxes like that was just asking for it.

How does it feel to own a nitro 700 now?

To ScaleBrad: Many, if not most, mid-airs can be debatable as to fault. This, however, is clear cut. I'm assuming you have a nice scale bird you've put hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars into. By your logic, you would be hovering your beautiful scale ship over the center of your flight box, admiring your work. Then, some yahoo with a Trex comes blazing by and clips the rotorhead off your bird and it explodes before you. You mean to tell all of us that you would pick up the pieces, walk up to the guy, and say, "Good game, up for a beer?"

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09-14-2009 03:44 PM  10 years ago
AaronJohnson

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Stormovic, You must either be a plank pilot or have never been to a heli funfly to make such a stupid and ignorant comment....
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09-14-2009 03:46 PM  10 years ago
Mike Fortin

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Wow, that was awesome!

But, someone owes someone else a 700 cut and dry.

I have witnessed a mid-air quite the same, although both pilots met at the edge of each others flight station so it was just bad timing and really nobody's fault.

In that video, it's super duper obvious who was flying outside of their box.

Having to pay for one heli is bad, but having to pay for 2...Ouch!
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09-14-2009 03:47 PM  10 years ago
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09-14-2009 03:47 PM  10 years ago
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Thanks ErichF, I was thinking the exact same thing. My $300 Blade400 takes out his $5K bird and he just says "Oh Well, My Fault for flying"?Fly it like it's your buddys bird
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09-14-2009 03:48 PM  10 years ago
ErichF (RIP)

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What do you mean my airspace? Says who?
This is why you need to be at the pilot's meeting. The event CD is the one that says. Typically, the boundaries of each flight box are described and marked. Once you enter that box, you owne it. This is true at funflies and Kill Boxes in the desert. It's basic airspace deconfliction. If you don't care to respect someone else's airspace, you don't belong on the flightline.

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09-14-2009 03:48 PM  10 years ago
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Responsibilty
If you make a high speed pass 6 feet off the runway directly in front of another pilot and knock his heli out of the air, that's NOT your spotters fault. Looks to me as if you owe somebody a helicopter. steve.
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09-14-2009 03:52 PM  10 years ago
red_z06

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Although flight boxes are designated with the boundaries defined or implied ( halfway between the flight stations ), some do want to fly pattern.

For this, it is implied that you do this 200' out from the flight station. It also implies that no one should invade the 3d box directly infront of the pilot as that is reserved for that pilot only.
Even if the other heli flew by 5 feet behind the 700, it could have caused a disruption in 700 pilot's concentration. Had he crashed due to the disruption, Logo would be responsible as well.

Some funflies are little more relaxed than others.

Las Vegas funfly CD (Rocky) would tell you to never cross the boundary. They would actually ground you if they found you breaking into the other box.

I had an incident 2 years ago at LV. I never crossed the boundary but when my heli and my neighbor's heli went to the same boundary, he focused on my heli instead of his and crashed.
He claimed that my heli broke into his space to in front of the flight station. CD asked spectators behind his flight stations to dismiss him claim. Had I actually invaded to center of his box, I would have been responsible for his crash as my heli would have caused loss of concentration.

It really doesn't have to be a written rule. Just apply the saying "Don't do to others if you what you don't want done to you."
I would be irritated if someone buzzed right in front of my face. So, I try not to do that to others.
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09-14-2009 03:57 PM  10 years ago
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I really didn't put this video on here for opinions as to how I should handle the situation.(I know how I would want things handled, if I were on the other end.) I put it up to show how easily something like this can happen. I have been flying R/C helis off and on for over 20 years. I have seen numerous mid air collisions and never imagined how quickly things happen. This was a real experience.

BTW: Logos are some durable helis! 90mph into a 700 and total damage $225, most of which was canopy and blades. That doesn't include my battery which is working, but slightly bent now.
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09-14-2009 03:57 PM  10 years ago
Quandumphone

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I'd at least hand him a box of blades. Maybe a bit more depending on the damage. Don't have to pay all of it but I'm sure a gesture of some sort would be appreciated. Don't want to assume too much, he may have done just that.
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09-14-2009 04:01 PM  10 years ago
what_the_helli

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I really didn't put this video on here for opinions as to how I should handle the situation.(I know how I would want things handled, if I were on the other end.)
How did you handle it?
I put the fun in dysFUNctional :)
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09-14-2009 04:03 PM  10 years ago
red_z06

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At plank funflies where multiple birds share the same airspace, it is customary to call out the low passes. It is spotter's job to at least make eye contact with the other spotters to make sure your intentions are understood.
Isn't it remarkable that both pilots perceive the exact same centerline on the runway and altitude?! Big, wide runway and comparatively small helis. The sky was otherwise empty. The odds against it happening must be very high.
Actually if you ignored the other pilot's path, it is more than likely it will happen.
If you watch some of the pro pilot's flight during the line flight, they are place precisely on top of what is perceived as a runway center. When you are doing the rainbows or other maneuvers side to side, it would ragged if they deviate from the centerline and drifted toward the pilot or away from the pilot more than 5-10 feet.
Same goes for the height (deck) where it flies most.
So, when two pilot tries hard to be on the centerline and be at the same height, it is not that hard to crash if you flew like there is no other pilot.
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09-14-2009 04:05 PM  10 years ago
Jlerch

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How would the spotter for either pilot know that the electric pilot was going to attempt such a monumentally ignorant stunt?

How did the electric heli pilot NOT hear the Nitro heli hovering on the left. For that matter, how did he not see the Nitro hovering in front of the other pilot has he hauled ass down the runway center line? His pilot station was at the far right end of the runway, yes?

Did this fun fly not define flight boxes of 100 foot square, with 100 feet between pilots, along with a rule that you don't intrude into someone else's flight box?

At the few fun flys I've been to, if you want to haul ass, you do it inside your box, or you fly out beyond everyone else's box into free for all territory..
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09-14-2009 04:05 PM  10 years ago
ErichF (RIP)

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I have been flying R/C helis off and on for over 20 years. I have seen numerous mid air collisions and never imagined how quickly things happen. This was a real experience.
It's unfortunate that your 20 years experience and witness to numerous mid-airs couldn't teach you a lesson that actually destroying someone else's pride and joy finally did.
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09-14-2009 04:06 PM  10 years ago
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^^^-------+1
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09-14-2009 04:07 PM  10 years ago
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I put it up to show how easily something like this can happen.
Captain Obvious! That's why they have the boxes.
I know how I would want things handled, if I were on the other end
I wouldn't expect someone to pay money for doing something this. But then I also don't want to hear a bunch of crying as I stomp a mud hole in their ass until I feel I got my moneys worth.
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09-14-2009 04:11 PM  10 years ago
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When you have 5-6 flight lines you fly in you OWN flight line,you don't act like a freaking retart and fly 5 ft from the ground,40+ mph right down ALL the flight lines where YOU KNOW you should not be.Your flight line is just what it is "YOUR flight line" ,that means you stay in YOUR flight line so crap link this don't happen.He should cover 100% of the crash cost cause its 100% his fault.Our club is helping out with some of the crash cost which im cool with and im putting some $$ in to help out too...600LE,OS55,OS PowerBoost pipe,Align 610's,Spartan
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