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09-14-2009 05:14 AM  11 years ago
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minuteman42

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Blade Flutter
Am trying to get and "old CH-46" in the air and everytime I get
ready to break ground, the aft rotor blades start fluttering wildly
out of control. I, of course, dump pitch immediately, so can not see a cause. I have checked, double checked, installed all new
servos, completely re-rigged all the controls. HELP
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09-14-2009 05:28 PM  11 years ago
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Please take a picture of your set up (without body if possible), and maybe we can see if there is something to cause this problem

Sandy
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09-14-2009 05:40 PM  11 years ago
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DO you have heads spinning the proper direction for the way the blades are installed (all it takes is to have the belt twisted the wrong way)? Front should be CW, back CCW. Blades on backwards will cause mega flutter when pitch is introduced!!
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09-16-2009 04:48 AM  11 years ago
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Belt is on correctly, blades are mounted correctly, everything is turning correctly.
Here are a couple pictures of the control setup from each side,

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09-16-2009 01:54 PM  11 years ago
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Minuteman,

I agree that the set up looks OK. But it looks like you are using standard blades. This heli must use blades with a lot (a real lot) of leading edge tip weight. This may be causing some of the issue.

Also check the phasing of the rear mast swashplate and make sure that with a blade at 90 degrees to the length of the body you get no movment with a roll input.

Also check that the bearing in the blade grips are very smooth even when you are pulling out on them with a lot of force.

Just an FYI, I re-positioned the front link to the rear swashplate all the way back on the lower bellcrank so that it applies a minimum amount of "elevator" input to the rear swashplate when the swashplate rises and lowers.In other words the rear swash plate should only tilt for roll and yaw, as well as rise and lower level during elevator and collective inputs. This was suggested to me by Hirobo many years ago, and it helped make the heli a little less sensitive to pitching up in forward flight or when climbing.

Sandy
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09-16-2009 11:49 PM  11 years ago
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Sandy
Thanks for the input. I will check it out further asap. the
blades are carbon fiber, shorter than original, but with a wider cord.
This bird was purchased second hand, but I did have it hovering
right after I bought it.
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09-17-2009 12:07 AM  11 years ago
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Hey what about rotor Phasing ? not sure about a r/c but the real thing we put the blades 10 & 2 what this means is the FWD is at the 2 and the AFT is at 10 viewing from the top so one blade grip is at 2 and one is at 10 we call this rotor Phasing in the full scale Hope this helps

Jim
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09-17-2009 10:03 AM  11 years ago
airplanejunkie

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Please check the blade covering for rips and loose covering. A carefull heat shrink job may solve your issue. Thanks, Dave
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09-17-2009 01:20 PM  11 years ago
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Please check the blade covering for rips and loose covering.
Sandy

Thanks for the input. I will check it out further asap. the
blades are carbon fiber, shorter than original, but with a wider cord.
This bird was purchased second hand, but I did have it hovering
right after I bought it.
If you're not living on the edge you're just taking up space !
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09-18-2009 12:27 AM  11 years ago
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Minuteman,

It may be a longshot, but there is something else for you to check.

My Vertol is also 20+ years old and I had the original flat top blade grips. I was having problems with the tracking going in and out, as well as shaking in the landing gear. I found that 3 of the blade grips had cracks in them from the bolt hole to the tip. I think that since all of the grips cracked at about the same time, it may be due to their age.

If your blade grips are also original, you should check them carefully for cracks. I think if they are cracked, it could cause the flutter that you are experiencing.

Sandy
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09-22-2009 03:31 AM  11 years ago
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Thanks for the input guys, I haven't been able to do anything with it, these past few days, but I will check out the suggestions you have made.

Thanks, Al
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