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HomeRC & Power✈️Aircraft🚁Helicoptere-Electric Battery-Charger-pSupply › 6s batteries selling for $130 - $299... why???
09-16-2009 02:42 AM  11 years ago
FlaG8r

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Who cares if you send the money directly to China via Hobby City or indirectly to China via a US based webstore who bought there lipos from China?

Let's just all admit that it's foolish to spend hundreds of dollars on a lipo when you can get it for a fraction of the cost. Flight Power/ TP are for noobs who walk into a the LHS and MUST have that lipo today. Outrage are for people who feel they are in the know and beyond paying LHS prices, but are still getting majorly ripped off. (including myself many times over for Outrage packs)

Hobbycity packs are the best thing since sliced bread.
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09-17-2009 03:06 PM  11 years ago
Richardmid1

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Yes the Burst C ratings aren't as high, I think thats the difference.60% of the time, it works every time!
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09-18-2009 09:12 AM  11 years ago
Spitfire1

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Thing is my Outrage pack has a 50c burst rate and the Turnigy is only 40c, but why does the Turnigy seem to have more power when I punch out?, and why cant I feel any difference between a 25c pack and a 30c pack?

I think its a claim, for example "we believe our packs can be discharged at 50c for 10 seconds without catching fire" Not an absolute rateing of how much performance the pack will actually deliver, you may find we often exceed 50c durin very hard manouvers.
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09-18-2009 12:40 PM  11 years ago
fenderstrat

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Thing is my Outrage pack has a 50c burst rate and the Turnigy is only 40c, but why does the Turnigy seem to have more power when I punch out?, and why cant I feel any difference between a 25c pack and a 30c pack?

I think its a claim, for example "we believe our packs can be discharged at 50c for 10 seconds without catching fire" Not an absolute rateing of how much performance the pack will actually deliver, you may find we often exceed 50c durin very hard manouvers.
as for batts its very hard to compare batts unless they are almost identical in age(dont know if yours are or not),and you also must consider IR.a 25C battery with lower IR is going to have more punch than a 30c with a high IR

as for feeling the difference between 25C and 30C its not so much about feeling actual output but the stress you are putting on the battery,say for example the heli is drawing 50 amps,both the 25C and 30c battery are going to be able to deliver the power but it may not tax the 30C as much,which will give quicker recovery, cooler temps and longer life
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09-18-2009 02:59 PM  11 years ago
GScott

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I used to be a big Outrage fan and even got alot of club members to switch. I will never buy another one. They are over priced just like the FP's and TP's and don't last any longer. Personally I'm done with expensive, name brand lipos. I decided to get back into e-helis with a Logo 500se and I will be using Turnigy packs. Bottomline is none of them are going to last hundreds of cycles flying 3D so why pack extra for companies that make false claims. The jury is still out on the new Hyperions but if they actually do live up to the hype I may try some next year.
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09-18-2009 09:11 PM  11 years ago
FlaG8r

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+1 on the above post.Life is tough, it's tougher if you're stupid
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09-19-2009 01:53 AM  11 years ago
Spitfire1

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I did find that when I was useing the zippy`s and Outrage packs even though there was no difference in the power the more expensive packs did last considerably longer, maybe not twice as long but possibly a 3rd longer.
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09-28-2009 03:34 PM  11 years ago
GaFlyer

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Also I fly 5s and they HK batteries are 100g heavier than TP 5s. That is big differance for heli flying 3d!!

I do use the 3s zippy's though!
Trex500 1600kv Scorpion, ICE75,6s Hyperion 35c 2600mAH
Trex450 Scorpion-8, ICE50, Zippy25c 2200
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09-29-2009 06:00 PM  11 years ago
zozie

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About Zippy batteries from Hobby city. I have flown them in my 50 electric, yes the power was par with the name brands. I have done some testing of different lipos in a test lab cause I wanted to use LIPOs at work for different robotics applications and the results were scary.
The cold testing is where the biggest difference was. Of course in RC flying it's not really a big deal, especially down good ol' south, but I tested a namebrand and a zippy pack all the way sown to -20C (-4F). I know not many people fly in that weather
The zippy pack just simply seized to be. The voltage went to 0V and when it got pulled out, it puffed up. The namebrand pack just lost it's discharge oomph, but recovered once the temp increased. So for sure there is something better about the big $$ packs. Will you ever notice it in just flying??? Not sure unless you fly in your freezer.
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09-29-2009 10:41 PM  11 years ago
DarkSide41

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Unless you tested a good size lot of each you did nothing more than determine 1 of those batteries was better than the other,not that brand A was better than brand B. It could easily have been the other way around." The biggest threat to our freedom is not from foreign terrorist , but domestic morons"
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09-30-2009 03:12 PM  11 years ago
Pistol Pete

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My experience with turnigy batts is to not take their C rating for granted.

A 15C rating may actually be 10C.
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09-30-2009 03:16 PM  11 years ago
Richardmid1

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Temperature plays a BIG part in the performance of a Li-po. A cheap 20C pack that has been warmed to the optimal temp range will out perform the best 30C packs if they are cold.60% of the time, it works every time!
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09-30-2009 03:58 PM  11 years ago
TJinGuy

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Everyone keeps making broad statements about weight, cost, C ratings and such but it is a fact that each battery needs to be compared individually. Lets get some popular candidates and compare the specs and cost.

6s 5000mAh 25C
Outrage NRG - $204 (on sale), 165x45x55 mm, 765g
Flightmax - $85, 143x50x48mm, 746g
Turnigy - $85, 148x49x49mm, 812g
Hyperion G3 CX - $190, 136x42x61mm, 747g

3s 2200mAh 30C
Outrage NRG - $51 (on sale), 110x36x25mm, 192g
Fligthmax - $24, 108x36x24mm, 190g
Turnigy - $19, 117x34x24mm, 207g
Hyperion G3 VX (35C) - $52, 106x34x24mm, 190g

Once you factor in shipping, the HC packs look to cost about 1/2 the cost of most name brand packs. With the exception of the Turnigy packs, the pack weights are all very similar. One other thing to remember is that current prices are comparability lower on name brand packs than just 6 months ago do to the competition. What was $75 is now $50ish and what was $279 is now $200ish. So this discussion looks different on paper than in the past, the name brands are now looking slightly better with their free shipping, warranties and crash replacement.
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09-30-2009 04:21 PM  11 years ago
GyroFreak

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Is the weight charged or discharged ? I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?
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10-01-2009 03:10 PM  11 years ago
GaFlyer

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Since Tjinguy left out 2 of the biggest lipo makers around I will show the differance in the batteries I use!
*EDIT* Zippy 2200 30c 224g
Tunigy 2200mAh 30c 255g

FlightPower 2200mAh 30c 195g
ThunderPower 2200mAh 30c *180g !WOW!
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Tunigy 5s 3300mAh 30c 557g

FlightPower 3350mAh 30c 454g
ThundPower 3300mAh 30c *444g !WOW!
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Tunigy 6s 3300mAh 30c 643g

FlightPower 3350mAh 30c 539g
ThunderPower 3300mAh 30c *530g !WOW!
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Now if wt isnt an issue then by all means Hk line of battries are a good buy, but clearly there is a huge differance in wt the higher cell count gets! I have found that zippy's weigh a little less than Tunigy or Rhino but for these 3 types I couldnt find a zippy match.
Bottom line choose which matters most and go buy it!
Trex500 1600kv Scorpion, ICE75,6s Hyperion 35c 2600mAH
Trex450 Scorpion-8, ICE50, Zippy25c 2200
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10-01-2009 05:56 PM  11 years ago
Kentoby

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Oh, I see....
So that's where my extra $200+ goes... weight savings!! Just think how much better pilots we Turnigy battery users could be if our birds weighed a bit less... NOT!!
I'll take the weight hit and $$$ savings any day of the week.

Nice FYI type info though.

Thanks,

KT
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10-01-2009 09:41 PM  11 years ago
FlaG8r

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My experience with turnigy batts is to not take their C rating for granted.

A 15C rating may actually be 10C
Have you actually seen this on a data logger? Besides who the heck runs 15C?
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10-01-2009 10:00 PM  11 years ago
DarkSide41

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I know I could not do half the tricks I do if my 600 batteries weighed 100 grams more...WOW" The biggest threat to our freedom is not from foreign terrorist , but domestic morons"
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10-01-2009 10:53 PM  11 years ago
zaw

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I didn't even they they were good batteries from hobbycity. I only I was looking for CHEAP! after I destroyed $80 battery in one crash, inverted into asphalt!ಠ_ಠ HBK2 built with inexpensive parts! ٩๏̯͡๏)۶ Gaui425
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10-02-2009 12:28 AM  11 years ago
TJinGuy

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ThunderPower 3s 2200mAh 30c *180g = $72 !WOW!
ThunderPower 6s 3300mAh 30c *530g = $175!WOW!
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