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09-16-2009 01:11 AM  11 years ago
TankDirt

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Yes, acctually (sic: actually) you will.
No, actually you will not.
I was taking a wild guess with the 10 thousand thing.
And you are taking a wild guess that you will make money. Driving a truck does not make you an expert in operations nor give you a degree in finance.
Again, acctually you will.

And I am not a truck driver, you proved my point in your last post.
It has to do with having a bad business model. Which can include some of the things you have mentioned but includes things such as cost and yield per package.
Although I didnt metion everything that makes them lose money I did list the sole reason which is poor choices. If they could go back and change some things the USPS would have a VERY solid company making unbelivable ammounts of money.

Evo4ever...How many letters would you say are in one truck load so that I could do some basic math. thanks.
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09-16-2009 02:44 AM  11 years ago
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Tintin,
Ever heard of the saying... like sand down a rat hole?
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!
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09-16-2009 03:21 AM  11 years ago
evo4ever

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I would give a low estimate of 25 to 50 thousand letters per truck this does not include packages just 44 cent envelopes. The post office actually ships a larger amount of packages than most would think. Like I said transport is NOT the po's problem, however in the interest of this discussion they ARE going broke due to mismanagement that is a FACT. So all math aside in the interest of why it was brought up they are losing money when I believe in private hands this type of business has proven to be very profitable (UPS, Fed ex) even without a monopoly on those 44 cent envelopes. They require small amounts of cargo room and are very light so very little effect on fuel consumption etc. I am sure the two private companies mentioned would love to have them.
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09-16-2009 04:04 AM  11 years ago
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So all math aside in the interest of why it was brought up they are losing money when I believe in private hands this type of business has proven to be very profitable (UPS, Fed ex) even without a monopoly on those 44 cent envelopes.
The difference is FedEx and UPS charge WAY more than 44 cents to ship a letter and that the USPS has a Govt guaranteed monopoly AND the ability to run in the red. You clearly have no understanding of the company's you are talking about.
They require small amounts of cargo room and are very light so very little effect on fuel consumption etc.
Wrong answer!!!! One of the heaviest things you can load is paper.... Doubt me? Go weigh a box that contains phone books.
I am sure the two private companies mentioned would love to have them.
They already have them.... Who do you think moves a very large part of the US mail?
http://memphis.bizjournals.com/memphis/stories/2009/08/17/daily19.html

FedEx provides transportation and delivery for the date-certain product to 190 countries and territories.

The Postal Service’s relationship with FedEx and the Global Express program began in 2004 when FedEx won the contract replacing DHL Worldwide Express.
FedEx moves about 5mil pieces a day. USPA moves about 4 million pieces of Priority Mail and 188,000 pieces of Express Mail.

When FedEx got the contract in 2004 it was a 7B deal.
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09-16-2009 04:31 AM  11 years ago
RonHill

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Again, acctually (sic: actually) you will.
No, *actually* you will not.
Although I didnt metion (sic: mention) everything that makes them lose money I did list the sole reason which is poor choices.
Only if you totally overlook the bad business model. You can't make money by picking up, transporting and delivering a letter anywhere in the US for 44 cents.
If they could go back and change some things the USPS would have a VERY solid company making unbelivable (sic: unbelievable) ammounts (sic: amounts) of money.
You base that assumption on?????
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09-16-2009 04:38 AM  11 years ago
evo4ever

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WTF I said the usps has a monopoly on regular envelope mail agreed? then my point is even without this advantage ups and fed ex operate at a PROFIT. The usps has that advantage and still runs in the red. As far as the weights go for the quantity of LETTERS we haul the weight is negligible, bringing up phone books is ridiculous they are not being discussed letters are. Phone books are a once maybe twice a year item. If you want to get real picky the usps puts this type of hauling out to bid no matter weight or volume on a day to day basis so it is a set cost per run. If you would like we can discuss it a length over the phone I am sick of going round and round over semantics to come to the same conclusion the gov't cant do what private companies can, which is operate at a profit even in an industry that has proven profitable.
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09-16-2009 04:54 AM  11 years ago
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Or you can call me at 867-5309.

Dude I'd edit that phone # out NOW! This is the INTERNET.
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09-16-2009 05:16 AM  11 years ago
evo4ever

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No big deal, no matter how much we argue on here everyone i have met involved with this hobby is a very nice intelligent person once you have a chance to speak with them one on one. I am sure Ron Hill knows alot about this industry that I do not considering his background. It would more than likely prove an interesting conversation and I could learn a little at the same time. Is this Aaron the fmr editor of rcheli mag by any chance ?
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09-16-2009 05:16 AM  11 years ago
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then my point is even without this advantage ups and fed ex operate at a PROFIT.
With an ENTIRELY different business model. If FedEx of UPS started trying to ship ANYTHING for less than a dollar, they would lose money as well.
As far as the weights go for the quantity of LETTERS we haul the weight is negligible, bringing up phone books is ridiculous they are not being discussed letters are.
A bag of letters weighs more than some shipments.
I am sick of going round and round over semantics to come to the same conclusion the gov't cant do what private companies can, which is operate at a profit even in an industry that has proven profitable.
While I agree with your sentiment... Your comparisons are WAY off.

Both company's do not use the same business plan. USPS business plan is the major problem. They charge 44 cents to move a product from almost any location in the US to almost any other location. It is a labor intensive process that yields VERY little ROI.

FedEx or UPS would charge 7-10 dollars for the same service.

Add in that the majority of USPS letter volume is as good as dead due to email and online bill pay... their business plan is terrible.

BTW... I have worked for FedEx for over 18 years. My current job is as an analyst.

And I'd remove the phone number.....
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09-16-2009 09:42 AM  11 years ago
Tintin

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when I believe in private hands this type of business has proven to be very profitable (UPS, Fed ex)
Don't know what UPS/Fedex prices are like within the US, but I rarely use them for stuff I get shipped here as they are usually atleast 50% more expensive than USPS + their agents here charge huge amounts for customs clearance so I end up paying at least twice as much before the stuff is in my house.
Ok, shipments by USPS might take a day or 2 longer, but for 2/3-1/2 the price I'm ok with that. Anyhow, the higher prices would probably explain partly why they can make money...and it's like with many private companies, you choose that part of the business off which you can make money and leave the rest for USPS or similar...

Some here need to learn a bit more about logistics and socialeconomy.... (the latter has nothing to do with socialism btw...)
“Getting an inch of snow is like winning 10 cents in the lottery.”
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09-17-2009 05:39 AM  11 years ago
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"socialeconomy.... (the latter has nothing to do with socialism btw...)"
Perhaps ,but every link that popped up was liberal(which generally has nothing to do with liberty ) Go figure.
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09-17-2009 06:55 AM  11 years ago
Tintin

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Goes to show your ignorance if you believe it rather than experience it...“Getting an inch of snow is like winning 10 cents in the lottery.”
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