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09-14-2009 06:01 AM  11 years ago
evo4ever

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You are still on this ? To quote Amy Poehler and Seth Meyers from weekend update on snl "REALLY". Dude crawl out of the basement let you're eyes adjust to the sunlight walk to the corner and pick up a newspaper and go to a current events section. Dwelling on past events gets you nowhere but left behind. If you want to drum up past events with politicians lets start with drownings after plunging off bridges some in the news forgot to dredge that back up recently (pun intended). If all you want to bring to an argument is emotional talking points and not fact tag out and stand in the corner. Also to head you off at the pass no we did not find wmd's but have we had any attacks since.
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09-14-2009 06:20 AM  11 years ago
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fwiw..

The WMD thing is SOOOOO over...Obviously Saddam had 'em, used them on his own countrymen...No need to "find" more...Wanna take a chance??...Didn't think so......

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09-14-2009 03:46 PM  11 years ago
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That's is correct OCB. That's what the bill says. Now show everyone the part on how that will be enforced. In fact even if there is one it won't matter because you know damn well that this will turn out just like the 2005 law that required proof of citizenship for Medicare. After a short period of time they simply stopped checking and the illegals made their way back into the system.
So you want to continue to make health care unaffordable to millions of Americans because a few thousand illegals could possibly figure out how to break the law? Whats the current estimate of the number of illegals receiving Medicare anyway??

Whats next on your list, close all the banks because illegals may rob them? Ban cars because illegals might run red lights? I got a good one, ban weapons sales because illegals might buy a gun and shoot someone.

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The U.S. Postal Service was established in 1775 - you have had 234 years to get it right; it is broke.
When someone figures out how to get a letter from one side of the country to the other for .44 cents, we'll go with that.
The "War on Poverty" started in 1964 - you have had 45 years to get it right; $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to "the poor";
No, its not, not even close. Its not even 1% of the entire budget. You may be entitled to your own opinion, but you aren't entitled to your own facts.
none show any signs of working, although ACORN appears to have found a new b****h: the American taxpayer
Yes it is working, you just refuse to believe it. BTW, ACORN didn't get any stimulus money, that's just a myth you guys like to comfort yourselves with. Its been shown over and over but idiots keep repeating it, and as long as you get your info from stupid liars in email forwards, no one is going to take you seriously.
"Cash for Clunkers" was established in 2009 and went broke in 2009!
It did exactly what it was supposed to do, stimulate car sales. It was overly successful if anything. It wasn't supposed to be ongoing, it was supposed to last till the funding was gone.
Repo man's got all day and all night! Lets go get a drink!
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09-14-2009 04:03 PM  11 years ago
Tintin

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I got a good one, ban weapons sales because illegals might buy a gun and shoot someone.
Good one
“Getting an inch of snow is like winning 10 cents in the lottery.”
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09-14-2009 04:07 PM  11 years ago
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When someone figures out how to get a letter from one side of the country to the other for .44 cents, we'll go with that.
hhmm,

I can use email to get letters to nearly every corner of the world nearly instantly for almost ZERO cost. I do it every day.

No one else is going to try finding a way to physically deliver a letter across the country for $0.44 because you only lose money doing it.
Stupidity can be cured. Ignorance is for life!
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09-14-2009 04:55 PM  11 years ago
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I got a good one, ban weapons sales because illegals might buy a gun and shoot someone.
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Good one
They don't have to buy guns because it's very profitable to bring them along to sell here to the gang members.
There's no better way for the gang bangers to get real AK47s.
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!
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09-14-2009 05:25 PM  11 years ago
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Rotor, your summary was so good I think it bears repeating:

USPS: Insolvent/Broke
Social Security: Insolvent or will be
Fannie Mae: Insolvent/Broke
Medicare/Medicaid: Insolvent or will be
Freddie Mac: Insolvent/Broke

One of my own...
AMTRAK: Insolvent/Broke (http://www.amtrak.com/pdf/08financial.pdf)

And finally, The United States of America: BROKE

As regards another massive gov't program, I think above is called....QED: quod erat demonstrandum! A Proof requiring no further argument. End of story.

If you are a logical person apt to think with your head and not your emotions, and if you're one who believes that RESULTS are what counts, not INTENTIONS, then this assertion that "HR3200 won't add a dime to the deficit" is just a bunch of baloney for naive, gullible, soft-headed, fuzzy-thinking emotional people.

IF and WHEN the Gov't demonstrates the willingness and competence to make the above programs solvent, THEN we will talk about HR3200.

That is, AFTER the Administration gets unemployment back down to 5%.
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09-15-2009 01:52 AM  11 years ago
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So you want to continue to make health care unaffordable to millions of Americans because a few thousand illegals could possibly figure out how to break the law? Whats the current estimate of the number of illegals receiving Medicare anyway??

Whats next on your list, close all the banks because illegals may rob them? Ban cars because illegals might run red lights? I got a good one, ban weapons sales because illegals might buy a gun and shoot someone.
First off, the topic was that illegals will be able to get benefits under HR3200. You said there is a provision that says they don't get coverage. I agreed, and asked where the provision on enforcement was. You went off on a stupid nonsense tangent trying to distract from the fact that there is no provision for enforcement and there is no intention to stop illegals from getting into the system.

As for making healthcare more affordable there are lots of things that can be done. You liberals aren't listening though. You've set your mind on a course and have put your blinders on to anything and everything else. There is no valid reason that everything has to be enacted at once. Your messiah says he can squeaze $500 billion out of Medicare without cutting quality or services covered. Prove it. No one is fighting about making Medicare more efficient and about eliminating waste and fraud within the system. There's no reason that Medicare can't be addressed first and then reevaluate the situation after a year.

There's no reason tort reform can't be tackled all by itself. Maybe if doctors weren't worried about being sued every two seconds they wouldn't practice defensive medicine where they order every test under the sun whether the patient needs it or not just to cover their ass if they end up in court.

there's no reason heath insurance portability can't be addressed as a seperate issue.

The problem with healthcare reform is you. Rather than taking a realistic and pragmatic approach to fixing the problems you rant and rave and stamp your feet unless you get everything all at once.
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09-15-2009 03:30 AM  11 years ago
TankDirt

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No one else is going to try finding a way to physically deliver a letter across the country for $0.44 because you only lose money doing it.
Now put 10 thousand .44 cent letters in a truck, deliver them and youll make money!
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09-15-2009 03:40 AM  11 years ago
Dennis (RIP)

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10,000 times 44 cents equals $4400.00. I doubt if you could ake the FINAL delivery for that across country. Gas alone would eat up a large percentage of that. Add the truck driver salary plus insurance, benefits, food, maintenance, motel, and licensing and you would not be doing any better than the PO. In fact, you would probably do worse.
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09-15-2009 07:23 AM  11 years ago
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Im not going to fight about it. I was reffering to the USPS.
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09-15-2009 07:29 AM  11 years ago
Tintin

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Now put 10 thousand .44 cent letters in a truck, deliver them and youll make money!
Wow, You should tell USPS, I'm sure they have never tried that...
“Getting an inch of snow is like winning 10 cents in the lottery.”
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09-15-2009 08:48 AM  11 years ago
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I used to haul mail for the USPS the volume of mail in a 53' trailer can more than cover the expenses of truck, licensing, and driver salary. 10 thousand letters is an extremely low volume of letters per truckload. The major problem for the USPS is retired personnel expenses (which they should continue those people earned it). The post offices are actually a fairly efficient operation as far as the blue collar actually getting the job done side of it goes. It is the top heavy management ratios that cause the majority of the waste and inefficiencies. Government in action lots of "managers" very few actual worker's.
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09-15-2009 09:21 AM  11 years ago
Tintin

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Of course it will. Transportcost isn't what makes it non-profitable, it's the cost of the links in the chain + final distribution to consignee that gets expensive....“Getting an inch of snow is like winning 10 cents in the lottery.”
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09-15-2009 12:41 PM  11 years ago
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It's nothing that Obama can't fix with his majic tax wand!Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!
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09-15-2009 12:50 PM  11 years ago
Tintin

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The more natural way would be to look at ones costs to see if it's possible to cut some as email increase and smail decrease and then adjust the price...it's kinda natural that those that want to send stuff pay the bill....would be the US way wouldn't..??

Just like with your roads, if you have a car you would pay after how much you use them, right?

As for the tax wand...it's kinda obvious you haven't been paying enough so far, yes yes I know how you feel but when the collected taxes doesn't cover what they are supposed to, you ain't paying enough and that's simple math. Which one of you and how much each should pay is another matter of course...there is always that time when one has to wake up and smell the bacon, you have overspent on every front for a long time and this is what happens....now you are in a weird spot as even if you have been overspending, spending is actually the only way out of it...otherwise people won't have jobs...in a bit of a pickle...
“Getting an inch of snow is like winning 10 cents in the lottery.”
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09-15-2009 04:49 PM  11 years ago
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Now put 10 thousand .44 cent letters in a truck, deliver them and youll make money!
No, you will not.
I was reffering (sic) to the USPS
You do know the USPS is NOT making money right? You know they are losing money right?
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09-15-2009 08:58 PM  11 years ago
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Now put 10 thousand .44 cent letters in a truck, deliver them and youll make money!
No, you will not.
Yes, acctually you will. And its been stated that 10 thousand letters is a very low amount for a truck load. I was taking a wild guess with the 10 thousand thing.
I was reffering (sic) to the USPS
You do know the USPS is NOT making money right? You know they are losing money right?
Yep, their going down slowly but surely. theres already been hour cuts at our PO, its closed about 9 hours more than normal every week now.

But them not haveing makeing money has nothing to do with delivery, it has to do with them not making good choices and decisions with the money they make.
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09-15-2009 09:40 PM  11 years ago
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Yes, acctually (sic: actually) you will.
No, actually you will not.
I was taking a wild guess with the 10 thousand thing.
And you are taking a wild guess that you will make money. Driving a truck does not make you an expert in operations nor give you a degree in finance.
But them not haveing (sic: having) makeing (sic: making) money has nothing to do with delivery, it has to do with them not making good choices and decisions with the money they make.
It has to do with having a bad business model. Which can include some of the things you have mentioned but includes things such as cost and yield per package.
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09-16-2009 12:30 AM  11 years ago
evo4ever

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It does not take a degree in business, imagine a 4' x 4' x 3' tub absolutely full of 44 cent letters times about ten on the average trailer load plus packages. I am telling you based on real world experience that if a non educated truck driver was offered this load being paid the amount of money to ship each package in the trailer he would be an idiot not to take it. The reason the USPS does not make money just as I said before to many chiefs, and high costs of retired personnel. Common sense at work no degree needed.
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