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08-08-2009 10:19 PM  8 years agoPost 1
EVO76

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Its a sad day on the Hudson..http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090808...d_air_collision

sounds like the plane struck the heli..

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08-08-2009 11:45 PM  8 years agoPost 2
T Koffler

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Damn planks!!

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08-09-2009 01:50 AM  8 years agoPost 3
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Damn planks!!

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08-09-2009 05:03 AM  8 years agoPost 4
SilverEagle2

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Hmm...as a plank driver that has been nearly killed by a heli pilot... I will wait to see what the NTSB says.

Sad, my prayers are with all.

Wait..what!?!?! No, that can't be!

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08-09-2009 04:09 PM  8 years agoPost 5
TipSpeed

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The piper was from Wings Field which is about 15 minutes away from my house. Pretty sad story.

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08-09-2009 04:27 PM  8 years agoPost 6
T Koffler

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Geeze, I just saw the story on the news last night.. 9 dead.. It is pretty sad. It was a scienic (tourist) heli ride?

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08-09-2009 05:35 PM  8 years agoPost 7
TachyonDriver

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Damn planks eh? Well I guess your NTSB will sort that one out - there's been some disasters due to "hotshot" heli pilots too unfortunately. A recent one was in the Grand Canyon I think, but it only involved the rock wall and not another aircraft.

I wonder if the aircraft was "Piper 202"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x37f-_XrMJ0

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08-14-2009 12:33 AM  8 years agoPost 8
500Driver

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I don't think this has been posted yet.

Footage of the actual crash happening shot by a tourist.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/2113454...09630�

Very sad for all involved.

The VFR corridor is a busy place.

When in doubt...auto out

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08-14-2009 01:25 AM  8 years agoPost 9
GimbalFan (RIP)

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This clearly was pilot error on the part of the plank pilot. Looks like the A350's mainrotor lopped off the Piper's wing. Tragic lapse of situational awareness.

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08-14-2009 01:44 PM  8 years agoPost 10
fritzthecat

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Two things stand out.
1- ATC just asked the Piper to switch freq so the pilot was likely messing with the radio.
2- If you look at the angle and flight paths, it seems the climbing helo was masked by the left wing of the Piper. If the circumstances are just right, the plank pilot may have not seen the helo even if he was looking for traffic out his left window.

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08-14-2009 02:56 PM  8 years agoPost 11
SilverEagle2

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This clearly was pilot error on the part of the plank pilot.
Again, you may be suprised by the NTSB report as may I. However, it appears that both were not looking out for each other.

I will reserve judgement until more info is out.

Wait..what!?!?! No, that can't be!

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08-15-2009 03:57 AM  8 years agoPost 12
500Driver

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Just a guess but I bet the official NTSB report will say "pilot error"

VFR conditions...in a VFR corridor...pretty straight forward "see and avoid".

Doesn't matter who's fault it was...everyone lost.

For those of us who fly full-scale this is a sobering reminder to be careful out there.

Keep up the scan...aviate aviate avaite...then navigate...then communicate...

When in doubt...auto out

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08-17-2009 12:14 AM  8 years agoPost 13
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It looks to me from the vid that the plane appears to bank right just before the collision..too late I know. However, the heli appeared to carry on in level flight....

The NTSB chief's a bit of a hottie! (Deborah Hersman)

Greg Feith... FORMER NTSB investigator..did he retire, quit or change jobs?

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08-17-2009 12:18 AM  8 years agoPost 14
TachyonDriver

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OOPS - GOOGLE is my friend! Greg retired! I remember him from some Discovery channel aircrash programmes.

Tach.

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08-17-2009 12:32 AM  8 years agoPost 15
Heliguychris

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The air traffic controller who was monitoring that coridor , initiated a non buisiness call just before the accident. The supervisor did not prevent this. A controller responsible for a nearby area , called the controller , and warned/notified him of a potential conflict. The controller then tried twice to contact the airplane, but got no answer. Seconds later the unfortunate happened.

Ill wait for the NTSB before i cane the controller, cause these sort of accidents require several screwups, one after the other, to get throught the elaborate air traffic arrangements.

Sure sux tho

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08-17-2009 05:06 AM  8 years agoPost 16
fritzthecat

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Both the helo and the Piper were flying VFR. The controller had no responsibility for keeping them apart. The traffic calls were a courtesy.

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08-17-2009 05:38 AM  8 years agoPost 17
NZ_Neil

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Not arguing with anything said but its worth noting the Controller has since been stood down pending a enquiry. He was on the phone to his girlfriend when another controller tried to contact him. VFR or not a controller is expected to be 100% focused on his job.

BTW The Heli Pilot was a New Zealander working for the NY company.

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08-18-2009 04:02 AM  8 years agoPost 18
bowman

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VFR or not a controller is expected to be 100% focused on his job.

BTW The Heli Pilot was a New Zealander working for the NY company.
I kinna agree with this. its kinda of, like a bus driver not stopping to pick up passengers or waiste man skipping a few houses cos their on the phone. another bus will be by shortly? there was more room in them cans, they can wait? NO!!! its their Responsibility thats what they're there for!

a contoller with the tools of his job are for as, humanly as is possible to aid in preventing this sort of thing. that is what his job Entails during his shift.

He failed to do that, complaisancy perhaps?
a horrible price to pay for it.

the kiwi ( I believe is what you all call you'r selfs) Lived about 20 miles from me.

I'm a trucker and I deliver in the Lanoka Harbor Area. everywhere you go there, you can't help but to talk about the helipilot.

I certainly was in the right! .....( toecutter at the spot) Phalanxman 6

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08-18-2009 05:33 AM  8 years agoPost 19
TrexRookie

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Yes, there may or may not be some blame that should be set on the controller for being on the phone and the supervisor not being in place where he should have been. However, when it boils down to it, the ultimate responsibility lies on the pilots. The biggest question is, which pilot was in the best position to avert the situation?...

For example, if you get your tires changed or have the brakes changed on your car, do you put 100% trust on the mechanics for doing the job right? I know I don't. I always check my brakes to make sure that they work, and I check to make sure the tires are properly inflated and the lug nuts are in place as they should be. Because at the end of the day, regardless of whether that mechanic did their job, if I have a tire blow out or my brakes fail while I'm on the highway, who has the most to lose if something goes wrong?

Blind spot or not, when I was being taught to fly, I was always taught that if I make a left turn, I go to a slight right bank to lift my wing and reveal my blind spot. Once that was done, I would say "Left side clear, left turn." Only then would I begin my turn. Granted the procedure for clearing blind spots is different on a low-wing aircraft, but you get the idea. I was always taught that if I screw up, I pay the price. And if the controller screws up, guess what... I pay the price. Yes the controller should be held responsible for not doing his job, but my emotions are mixed about whether he should be held responsible. If you're talking IFR, different story. But this is VFR flight we're talking about and VFR and IFR are two completely different beasts.

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08-18-2009 06:30 AM  8 years agoPost 20
WillyS

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People better wise up with the cell phones that employ theirselves in the transportation dept.I recall an incident in CA with a train that casualties where involved because the operator was texting on his cell phone,his a$$ is grass and my bet is on that the atc personnels a$$ will be grass in the end.Truly a sad day for those people involved in the crash.

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