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08-08-2009 06:27 PM  8 years agoPost 1
Gregor99

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Picking up where Fender left off in the other thread......

We've heard this all before. Throw money, size and technology at your skills and of course you will fly better. We all know that is nonsense. However, if move to a larger heli, better blades, CNC head or go to flybarless you will appear to an observer to have increased your skill. Your flights will be smoother more controlled and most likely you will advance faster.

But is all this purchased skill worth anything? Can you then take this same skill and apply it to a smaller cheaper heli with a flybar, wood blades and moderate power system? Are you only kidding yourself that your sythentic skills mean anything on any heli that does not cost a fortune?

But even if this un-real skill does not transfer to a lesser machine, does it really matter if you never plan to run anything but your bling ship?

Discuss....

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08-08-2009 07:55 PM  8 years agoPost 2
tryan02

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Co-Pilot!!!!

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08-08-2009 08:12 PM  8 years agoPost 3
Git

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hmm..

bigger helis just fly better due to physics.

generally, more $ spent equates to more precise heli.. when you see pros of any sport, every1 use top end products.

i consider my srimok to be my prize heli and it does make my flying a lot better. but i enjoy flying my beater heli the most. though the quality of my flying are somewhat halved.

we always say to the new guys at the field. its not what you fly, its how you fly.

imho, is it worth it? yes. can i transfer the skill to a smaller heli? sometimes but usually with lots of stick corrections. to each, their own. it's wat u really want out of this hobby that really matters. for me, its all about the satisfaction.

ppl often ask me why i use expensive stuff when there are better pilots using something cheaper.. it's because i can

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08-08-2009 10:08 PM  8 years agoPost 4
DougsRC

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Personally I think, once you get your heli tail to pretty much stay where you want it to, the rest of heli-business is your will, synapses, neurons, desires and what you want it to do vs. what you can make it do.
We are not all going to be ASJ, flying wise but if you can get some Joy or stimulation out of the hobby--- it's worth it ! If not, put it in the classifieds

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08-09-2009 03:52 PM  8 years agoPost 5
Melnic

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Heli that does not stay where you put it will increase your skills. If you want that, then that will help you.

Tight mechanics, strong precise servos, stiff blades and good gyros gyros will make the helicopter follow your commands better but does not increase your skills.

Nothign wrong if you want to pay your way to smooth flying. But it may not make you progress as fast as before. Some people get frustrated though and improving your heli to avoid frustration is OK IMO also if that's what makes it fun for you. It will make your flying look better but it may not help progress your skills.

Learning inverted, backwards , inverted backwards ETC really gets accelerated if you have somthign not perfectly stable and also cheap to fix. You keep on your toes and if you crash, the costs are low to get you up in the air.

I have my fiberglass bladed analog servo EXI for working on my inverted. I have to work hard, but then trying it on my bigger heli, it feels like I'm cheating.

On the other hand, too cheap and too much slop and you will be fighting it so much you will progress slower. Pick something and go with it

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08-09-2009 05:00 PM  8 years agoPost 6
Git

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+1

i started with a honeybee king... but its a fact, if u can hover a hbk, u can hover anything

right now i am struggling with my frankenstein 600n with fut3001 cyclics and 401+9253 rudder.. it is the dark side... its exhilarating to fly.. so unpredictable

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08-09-2009 05:03 PM  8 years agoPost 7
tryan02

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i started with a honeybee king... but its a fact, if u can hover a hbk, u can hover anything
have you tried a Blade cppro or a ep100? The king hovers like a dream in comparison.

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08-09-2009 05:43 PM  8 years agoPost 8
Git

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Brunei

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blade cp pro.. yes i have.. i admit, they're harder to fly, almost impossible in a confine space. but they're tough though.. can handle minor crashes unlike the hbk. my comparison was incline more towards 3d capable 6ch helis..

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08-09-2009 09:34 PM  8 years agoPost 9
zaw

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Lebanon, NH - USA

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I got into heli in winter with bldecp, it was so cold out I learn it in my basement and its hover very stable in confined space. Outside with wind its not but BladeCP/CP2 are very nice heli's IMO.

My porblem was the setup. I didn't know the setup then so it was hard, once I got the setup right, that same night it hovered nicely.

ಠ_ಠ HBK2 built with inexpensive parts! ٩๏̯͡๏)۶ Gaui425

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08-09-2009 09:51 PM  8 years agoPost 10
tryan02

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my comparison was incline more towards 3d capable 6ch helis.
Thats exactly what E-flite wrote on the box.

As for the Bcpp being tougher you lost me on that one? $17 blades shattering with any tap. Main shaft and spindles bending just over time and lets not get into the electronics that was a crapshoot. The long time E-sky guy's here switched from the BCPP to the king because of its weaknesses. My flying started the second I spooled up the king with the HDX300 and 10t pinion rest stock.

And I do believe it's the only reason a few of us are still in the hobby. (me included)

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08-10-2009 12:44 AM  8 years agoPost 11
Melnic

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Hmm, My EP100 when there is no wind flies almost like my HBK2

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08-10-2009 12:17 PM  8 years agoPost 12
DougsRC

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Here'e comes some of Dougie-boy's cheesy "philosophy"
Another important aspect of flying these things is not only the aquired skills but the ability to "Let yourself go" and just go for it. Not always easy to do when you gatta a "grand or more" floating in the sky
So if you do have a Great, expensive, perfectly tail-holding, pretty, reliable machine staring at you----are you going to trust yourself, and your heli to do for real what you taught yourself on the SIM ? or would you be more likely to try new stuff on a cheap POS even if you can't "trust it" as much

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08-10-2009 01:49 PM  8 years agoPost 13
Sgt Heli

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I dont know if there is any payback to pumping the big bucks into large flybarless helis but I sure would like to fly one.

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08-10-2009 02:37 PM  8 years agoPost 14
Melnic

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Here'e comes some of Dougie-boy's cheesy "philosophy"
Another important aspect of flying these things is not only the aquired skills but the ability to "Let yourself go" and just go for it. Not always easy to do when you gatta a "grand or more" floating in the sky
So if you do have a Great, expensive, perfectly tail-holding, pretty, reliable machine staring at you----are you going to trust yourself, and your heli to do for real what you taught yourself on the SIM ? or would you be more likely to try new stuff on a cheap POS even if you can't "trust it" as much
+1, cause that's how I feel about it for myself.

but! until I got better tail holding, I could not apply backwards flight w/ my 450 like I did on the sim. It would just blow out. So sometimes you do need to do upgrades to make the heli do what CAN be done w/ the sticks but just can't be done in the air till you do the mods or upgrades or what ever.

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08-10-2009 10:08 PM  8 years agoPost 15
tryan02

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Hmm, My EP100 when there is no wind flies almost like my HBK2
Mine was all plastic loose and sloppy with warped plastic main blades. flew half as stable as my king2 did. Flew more like the blade cppro than the king 2.

Well dougie you bought it from me what happened? Did you figure it a lost cause already? I assumed it would be right up your alley.

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08-10-2009 10:51 PM  8 years agoPost 16
DougsRC

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Mine was all plastic loose and sloppy with warped plastic main blades. flew half as stable as my king2 did. Flew more like the blade cppro than the king 2.

Well dougie you bought it from me what happened? Did you figure it a lost cause already? I assumed it would be right up your alley.
Me too man, even I have limits to what is worth the trouble After the ESC smoked, I said> good-bye < Lil Beeeach

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08-10-2009 11:12 PM  8 years agoPost 17
dan the man

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This is why I have my 4#3b to practice precision, and why I'll be keeping my somewhat of a POS 450 clone once my new heli gets here.

+2 Doug
Crappy, small helis are great for practicing precision and control, and will make you a better pilot even if it may not look like it in the air. More expensive helis with tails that actually hold properly are good for practicing the more advanced stuff that the POS's can't handle, which is why I just bought a Logo My 450 doesn't fly well enough for me to have the confidence to fly like I do in the sim, especially with all the small failures I've had recently.

In a bit more than a year of flying only small POS helis, I've basically been forced to learn all my orientations (I've pretty much got the inverted piro circuits down now ).

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08-10-2009 11:54 PM  8 years agoPost 18
DougsRC

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In a bit more than a year of flying only small POS helis, I've basically been forced to learn all my orientations (I've pretty much got the inverted piro circuits down now ).
Very cool Dan, glad you are still at it !! Very addictive hobby to say the least

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08-11-2009 01:20 AM  8 years agoPost 19
Melnic

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Tryan, yours was not a real Gaue EP 100 pro with all metal like I got.
Yes, it was cheap and plastic but I recall it was not Gaui.

I had a cheap plastic one the same size and it wore out the tail shaft in like 5 flights.

the EP100 Pro that MMike and I have I think flew pretty well for indoor CP heli.
Indoor if you have a warehouse to fly in

-David

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08-11-2009 03:03 AM  8 years agoPost 20
!2Old2Fly

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In a close equivalent:

In the fixed wing world, there is a very close equivalent. People used to show up with their little .25 sized "trainers". They were small, and squirrely, and generally a handfull to fly, even for an experienced pilot.

The ability to fly them didn't make anyone a better pilot, it just took a better pilot to fly them well. And even then, they were usually just more work than fun to keep in the air.

On the other side of the spending spectrum would be the newb who would show up with a .60 FAI pattern plane. Yeah, they fly great, but they're certainly not for the beginner.

(stay with me here)
The "sweet spot" for fixed wing was the .40 sized trainers. They were reasonably priced, fairly easy to repair, and reasonably stable.

STABLE being the operative. They would give the newb TIME to think through his reactions, before having to make them. Yes, in time, it all becomes reflex, but you need to develop those reflexes before you can use them.

I saw people push though it with their .25 sized trainers, and actually go on to become decent pilots. But I saw many many more who just stopped coming to the field, defeated by them.
Yes, you can learn on them, but you're not going to enjoy the experience a whole lot, and it doesn't make you a better pilot. Once you move off the little jitter-bug, your reflexes will slow to match your now bigger more stable bird. Keeping those reflexes up would mean continuing to fly the little one.

What am I driving at?
The larger more stable ships, of any kind, give the newb time to learn to fly, and make the whole process more fun. I personally far prefer having success than failure.

Knowing what I do now, if I were to pick a heli to learn on (provided I had some form of instruction), I'd look at a Raptor .30
They fly smooth, are relatively stable, and a great place to learn.
The only down side is the expense & the nitro mess.

But that's just my opinion.

Yet Anohter IT Worker

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