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09-17-2009 08:00 AM  11 years ago
OICU812

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Jim,

Have you allready bought the motor? If not there are others but assuming you have here is what I can tell you.

That motor = 1100kv

Therefore sport and as you mention I would suggest to you sir a 15 tooth mod.7 HB pinion. Headspeed do govern to at least say 2100-2200, this pinion with the 153T gearing will provide this and some Headroom to work nicely. Blades....I do suggest at the moment RotorTech 560mm mains, and 92mm Radix tails. Battery.... 6S sir, Suggest investing in some decent packs for certain, in the 5000mah range. Hope that helps you, cheers.

Are you getting flybar or V-Stabi?
...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...
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09-17-2009 01:11 PM  11 years ago
Jim Mahoney

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Thanks for the information and your reply!

I do not have the motor yet.

And I have not selected an ESC yet.

I am into electronics, I have worked in electronic R&D for most of my working life so the V-Stabi is in the picture but first I use a flybar - I have heard that the Mikado helis are very stable as flybar stabilized setups.

What batteries are you using?

The Mikado 500 is to be my daily practice heli, pop out at lunch time and get one or two flights in. I want to fly in F3C, I have an Avro 90 to that end - I still love engines. Electrics have their place and with the developments in electric motors, brush-less DC and high power output and most of all the developments in Batteries!!!! I can have a machine with which I can have charged up and ready to go quickly and with minimum of things I need to bring to the field.

I have seen Mikados so I know of their quality. The latest design, Mikado 500/600 with their low parts count and the unique frame design sold me.

Being able to fly the model on the Phoenix Flight Simulator was a deciding factor. The Phoenix Sim is good enough to judge models by and to pretest setups with. I use it as a research tool just as I use the Linear Technology Spice Simulator in my electronic work. You have to know what each is good at and not good at or not and how to compensate - Tune the system --- Hmmmm thats a lot like setting up a helicopter!

Check out my post at the http://www.rotory.com/fusionbb/index.php? forum under Cherokee Jim Mahoney or my thoughts on simulators.

In any case I would be happy to hear from one and all about your ideas on motors, batteries, gear ratios and such.

I will have to check again but I don't recall too much information on the different head dampeners - for my style of flying I would think I would want softer dampeners, any problems here with tail boom strikes to tail rotor-main rotor conflicts?

What main blade length were you thinking of for your pinion gear suggestion? And speaking of Main Blades-Paddles-Tail Blades, I will use heavier paddles, maybe the FAI style paddles I got from Century Helicopters for my Hawk.

Thanks,
Jim Mahoney

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09-17-2009 01:15 PM  11 years ago
Furyous

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Go with the Scorpion 4020-100 motor.

More power and less expensive.

I tried the Hacker motor and it just does not compare. In fact, I have a new one with a 2 minute flight on it you can have for $90 shipped.

Good luck with everything else.
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09-17-2009 02:25 PM  11 years ago
Ronald Thomas

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Go with the 4025-1100 MORE POWER!Team MikadoUSA 480XXTreme, 550SX, 600SX, 700XXTreme, 800XXTreme!!
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09-17-2009 02:52 PM  11 years ago
Jim Mahoney

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Another question.

There are two main gear listed in the 500/600 manual that I downloaded to study:

#4060 (M05 212Z)

#4094 (M07 153Z)

Which one is shipped in the 5003D Kit?

What does M05 and M07 stand for?

It would seem that I would want to use the 212 tooth main gear for slower head speeds for any given Pinion gear.

Thanks,
Jim Mahoney

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09-17-2009 02:57 PM  11 years ago
GScott

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I know it's an older thread but I would go with the Logo 500 hands down. Outrage makes nice stuff but I haven't been impressed with their durability. I was looking into a 550 a few months ago but there were still problems with gears and belts. The Mikado stuff just works and is reliable.

As far as not crashing well I would say it's no different. Use plastic screws for the landing gear mounts and it will help save the frames. In the end there really aren't many parts on a 500 which really helps with crash costs and rebuild times.
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09-17-2009 03:03 PM  11 years ago
Ronald Thomas

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#4060 (M05 212Z)

#4094 (M07 153Z)

Which one is shipped in the 5003D Kit?

What does M05 and M07 stand for?
M05 stands for Mod .5 gearing and M07 is Mod .7 gearing. The mod 7 is more robust and will handle the high power situations better. The newer kits were shipped with both but they may have gone to just a mod7 gear as it is the one most people want.

You adjust the headspeed with the gearing ratio so you can use the .7 with no issues......Ron
Team MikadoUSA 480XXTreme, 550SX, 600SX, 700XXTreme, 800XXTreme!!
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09-17-2009 03:51 PM  11 years ago
Jim Mahoney

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Thanks for that information Ron.

Jim Mahoney
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09-17-2009 03:53 PM  11 years ago
Big Fil

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OICU12

That motor = 1100kv

Therefore sport and as you mention I would suggest to you sir a 15 tooth mod.7 HB pinion. Headspeed do govern to at least say 2100-2200, this pinion with the 153T gearing will provide this and some Headroom to work nicely. Blades....I do suggest at the moment RotorTech 560mm mains, and 92mm Radix tails. Battery.... 6S sir, Suggest investing in some decent packs for certain, in the 5000mah range. Hope that helps you, cheers.
That's pretty much it in a nutshell. Sound advice as always from Shawn. It should match nicely with the type of flying you spelled out.
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09-19-2009 04:50 PM  11 years ago
Jim Mahoney

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Logo 500 3D Setup for Smooth Style Flying - F3C Training
Hello Big Fil,

Thanks for your help!

I ordered my Mikado 5003D Yesterday from Ready Heli and a motor and pinions, 13 and 15 Tooth, fron FXAeromodels.

Next Week!

Happying,
Cherokee Jim Mahoney
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