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06-08-2009 02:34 AM  9 years agoPost 1
Billj

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Does anyone make the Pantera Canopy in fiberglass ??

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06-08-2009 02:48 AM  9 years agoPost 2
Mr.HillBilly

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JB had a few test ones. Not sure if he has any left or not. Drop him a PM.

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06-08-2009 05:31 PM  9 years agoPost 3
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I bought one last year. It's a much better looking canopy but it is Thin. I made the mistake of sending it off to be painted and the painter didn't thicken it up and it was a waste of $200+ dollars.

I was Spektrum when Spektrum wasn't cool

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06-08-2009 06:06 PM  9 years agoPost 4
MartyH

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You somehow expected the painter to thicken the canopy? What had you expected him to do?

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06-08-2009 07:33 PM  9 years agoPost 5
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Based on user feedback and experience like this, lately I've been telling folks how to reinforce them where they attach to the posts for mounting, and at the perimeter to stiffen them up. Click the link to learn how and where to reinforce it.

PDR0099 Canopy, FRP, Striker


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06-08-2009 08:03 PM  9 years agoPost 6
Nashville

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Marty, I was unaware of the thin situation with the canopy and I had it shipped directly from Audacity to the painter. I would have expected the painter, who I paid a very large sum to do the job, to at least have called to inform me of the situation. I still get my canopies custome painted, just not by that certain company any longer.

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06-08-2009 08:16 PM  9 years agoPost 7
MartyH

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Well, define "large sum". You couldn't be paying him too much if you're getting the canopy and the paint for $200 as you mentioned above. I spend more than that on the paint alone. Arizona Heli is the place to be. Canopy FX is pretty dang good too. Here are several of my canopies for various helis in the fleet. I think MY Pantera canopy is one of the older pieces of glass from a previous supplier 'cause that thing is insanely thick.

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06-08-2009 08:44 PM  9 years agoPost 8
Billj

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Hey,
I'm not having any problems with the stock one...My success with painting on plastic has been limited to none... I can work with fiberglass.. Unless some here can chime in on painting basecoat clearcote on plastic and having it stick...

Please don;t tell me it involves using a torch, lol

Bill

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06-08-2009 08:55 PM  9 years agoPost 9
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Marty, I consider $200+ a large sum for a canopy, sorry if you disagree. I would have expected a phone call if I were only paying $20. That's all I'm saying.

I was Spektrum when Spektrum wasn't cool

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06-09-2009 11:19 PM  9 years agoPost 10
helibro

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i agree with that, if i had a canopy sent derectly to a place to get painted i would assume they were "exp" enough to think hmm this is thin maybe i will call and see if they would like it stiffend up a bit. i have repaired a couple thick canopies for others at the feild and i dont even ask if they want them stiffened up i automatically do it, even though i dont charge them and your painter would have charged ya im sure you would have paid an extra 20-30 to get it stiffend up. but aleast ya know next time to just ask them to.

Billj you dont "have" to torch it but it is cheaper to, myself spray ppg products, i use a raw bumper coat its real thin, then you let it dry wet sand with 400 and spray your base, then spray your clear "but" put plastizer in it, i can take my canopy and twist it all up and bend it and it is stuck it wont come off, pm me if ya need more info.

hey! were is the reset button!

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06-10-2009 01:39 AM  9 years agoPost 11
jaycab

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Wax & greasse remover
Sand with 180 grit sand paper
Plastic adhesion promoter
Epoxy primer (is the only S!@# that will stick to this kinda plastic)
B/C white, one coat
B/C yellow two coats
B/C green/red pearl one coat
Decals
High Solid Clear two coats
Wet sand the next day with 1000 grit
High Solid clear two coats
And Whola! you're done

Jaycab

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06-10-2009 03:48 AM  9 years agoPost 12
helibro

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only problem i would see with a "epoxy" primer is it would tend to crack.

hey! were is the reset button!

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06-10-2009 10:48 AM  9 years agoPost 13
Billj

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THe bumper primer is from PPG ??

Appreciate all the great input

Bill

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06-10-2009 12:28 PM  9 years agoPost 14
jaycab

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True,eventualy it will spider however if you bend
the canopy more than ten degrees, yes it will crack.
Odds are that you will crash the heli before the paint
peels off. Just trying to answer Billj question, I do
not intent to create a discussion. I'm a paint manufacturer
rep. (Lusid Technologies)

Jaycab

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06-10-2009 12:32 PM  9 years agoPost 15
MartyH

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You guys sure expect a lot out of your painter. He's a PAINTER not a MINDREADER nor would he necessarily be a fiberglass specialist. If he did try to "thicken" the canopy a guy is just as likley to complain about the added weight or the use of the wrong reinforcement or the poor placement of same. You hired the guy to PAINT your canopy. Thats what he did. Not everyone wants a thick canopy. Thick does not necessarily mean strong. I have a very thick Pantera canopy that is proof of that. The thinner ones can flex and absorb vibration frequency that'll destroy a thicker one in short order. Who knows what a guy wants? Why is it the painter's responsibility to find out? RJX makes a VERY thin fiberglass canopy that'll fit the Pantera/Tiger and it holds up great. I used to fly one of them.

Don't misread any tone in this message. It's not heated or scolding or anything like that. I just think you guys are asking a lot of your painter.

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06-10-2009 02:34 PM  9 years agoPost 16
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As jaycab has pointed out, painting the plastic canopy works great! Frankly, it's one reason I am not so interested in following up with the FRP units. After all, an FRP unit will be cracked or torn following a crash while the HDPE (plastic) canopy will be intact.

Did the paint flake or crack? Sure, it probably did but the silly thing can be repaired just as if it were a painted canopy you repaired, or in the alternative, you can spray it with paint remover and start over. Conversely, the FRP canopy has suffered structutral damage ina ddition to the paint.

I really don't understand the desire to use a more fragile base material like FRP when the inherent toughness of the HDPE is so overwhelming in comparison and with proper prep accepts paint readilly.

Have you guys eyeballed the information on the website associated with prep work for painting? It's right in the [Overview] for the canopy products! Folks, I have been working on improving the website, this is an example.

http://www.genesishobby.com/Product...-2/Default.aspx


John Beech
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06-11-2009 12:14 AM  9 years agoPost 17
helibro

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Billj yes i will get the part number tomorrow when i am at work. marty i understand what your saying, the only reason i said what i did in the other post i quess is from being in the collision repair work im always used to having to do some small stuff to make a customer happy and canopy painting is a diff story, and right there is a mid point to thin is no good and to thick is deff no good, i however do like painting fiberglass better only cause i can do different designs on them and is lil harder with a plastic one but i get my plastic ones to look like glass when they are done and im sure i will crash soon so dont want to waste the money on a nice fg one yet.

hey! were is the reset button!

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06-11-2009 02:41 PM  9 years agoPost 18
nitrothugg

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kind of paint
what kind(s) will stick best to the plastic canopy and where is the place to get it?

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