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06-07-2009 07:08 PM  9 years agoPost 21
Sam2b

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What do you guys do to make sure you are in idle up before inverting ?
If it is that much of a problem then put it in idle up before you lift off. Otherwise, just make it a habit to put it in idle up before 3D. Brain = on.

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06-07-2009 07:10 PM  9 years agoPost 22
Gyronut

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Only fly in Idleup mode.

I only use Normal to pwr up into idleup with my Nitro's, pitch cure is flat line.

It will take some getting use but will be worth it.

Rick

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06-08-2009 09:54 PM  9 years agoPost 23
chopper_crazy

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I spool up at the flight line and as soon as the skids get light, I flip into idle up. I just do it out of habit now that way I don't have to worry about it.

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06-08-2009 10:07 PM  9 years agoPost 24
RobMcQuillen

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Done that once on a flip on my 450. Luckly i held collective managment and got it back all the way around upright. The Trick is dont bog it much. I didnt even think about fliping in Idle up during the flip

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06-08-2009 10:33 PM  9 years agoPost 25
USNAviationjay

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same as Choppercrazy here.. 50 percent on spoolup then idle 1 or 2 depending on which heli before even lifting off.

works for me.. becomes habit.

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06-08-2009 10:34 PM  9 years agoPost 26
gian

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That one scare should do it.

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06-08-2009 10:42 PM  9 years agoPost 27
jschenck

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Do you have any advice that could help once in idle up mode, then flicking the throttle hold switch for an auto, then remembering to flick idle up off first before turning off hold.
There is no short cut here. ALWAYS check the idle-up switch before touching the throttle hold switch. I've been trying to get in the habit of flipping the idle-up switch into normal mode as I hit the throttle hold switch, but this is more to help save banging the heli into WOT in case I want to come out of throttle hold before I'm on the ground. Once on the ground make SURE you are in normal mode and throttle stick is down before flicking out of throttle hold. Just make it a reflex, hit the left switch before flicking the right switch!

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06-08-2009 10:55 PM  9 years agoPost 28
lightningrc

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I done a low flip once and nailed it to the ground in normal mode

I now only ever fly in idle up instantly switch into it when I take off but use a governor.

As its always windy where we fly , flying in idle up also gives the heli more control , especially when your coming into to land

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06-08-2009 11:21 PM  9 years agoPost 29
jbdww

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It is just a habit for me to switch to ST-1 as soon as the skids leave the ground. Just do it every time on both the real model and the SIM and you will gain the same habit.
The same goes for when you hit throttle hold that as soon as the heli lands you switch the mode switch back to normal mode before you do anything else.

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06-08-2009 11:43 PM  9 years agoPost 30
Sam2b

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Nike says "just do it."

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06-09-2009 12:00 AM  9 years agoPost 31
Yug

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Several times, I've forgotten to switch to idle up, usually when I've been testing something in normal mode and absent mindedly throw the heli into an inverted manouver As good as your intentions are, you will forget so deal with it. Don't panic and just throw the switch. Even if your a foot off the deck, there's still plenty of time to roll out or hit the switch. It makes for a good wakeup call

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06-09-2009 12:19 AM  9 years agoPost 32
VooDooX

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ya when the heli starts making less engine noise when i start to go negative i instinctively stop immediately and return to normal flight then i normally see the switch is down haha i have crashed 2 times from that best way to remember is crash a few times you wont forget anymore

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06-09-2009 02:17 AM  9 years agoPost 33
Wyorcflyer

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Don't rely on your memory or training, it will fail you!

I am in the flat line pitch curve camp. My pitch curve in normal mode will barely hover. I run the same pitch curve as idle up from half stick to 3/4 stick. That way the model does not jump when you switch. I flat line the pitch in normal mode from 3/4 to full stick so it won't climb, and reminds me, you dumb a$$, you forgot to switch to idle up again.

As previously posted there is no cure for turning throttle hold off before you go to normal mode. It makes a lot of noise and probably isn't good for the heli but you do have a bit of time to either put throttle hold back on or change to idle normal. When I come off throttle hold I hold on to the throttle hold switch and anticipate putting it back on if something is amiss.

There is only so much you can do, we are human.

Jack

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06-09-2009 02:47 AM  9 years agoPost 34
rcjon

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>>Don't rely on your memory or training, it will fail you!<<

Good habits won't. I look at the Tx throttle stick before I squeeze the starter. I go to I1 before I go inverted. I flip I1 off before I turn off TH.

Because I have overlooked each of these once before.

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06-09-2009 03:00 AM  9 years agoPost 35
RappyTappy

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Just like others have said, spool up, get it a little light on the skids and flip into idle up.

I always test before leaving the ground by giving some negative and load the engine a little to make sure that the engine is ready and to confirm I'm in idle up.

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06-09-2009 03:03 AM  9 years agoPost 36
Wyorcflyer

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rcjon
Because I have overlooked each of these once before.
And you will do it again.

I didn't say good habits were not important, they are. But, there will be a distraction or situation that throws your good habits right out the window. Almost all aviation accidents, RC or otherwise, are the result of a chain of unusual circumstances that negates your good habits.

All I am saying is if there is a way to structure the setup so you don't have to rely on your training and good habits, isn't that a good idea? It is in my book. If your heli won't turn upside down in normal mode then you won't make that mistake. Ask me how I know!

Jack

Edit:

+1 for Yug's perspective. You are going to screw up so train for it. I think I will do that right now. Flip the sim over in normal and learn to switch to idle up without panic.

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06-09-2009 04:05 AM  9 years agoPost 37
CT.Chopper

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I think there 3 types of pilots that this applies too...
those who have done it....
those who lie about it
and those that will do it,

I for one have done it....
luckly my rave was nice enough
to let me bend the flybar back
and keep mowing dandelions down....

Rob Landry.

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06-09-2009 04:07 AM  9 years agoPost 38
Ronald Thomas

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If you set your heli/tx up the way I suggested earlier, you will never do it ........Ron

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06-09-2009 04:34 AM  9 years agoPost 39
jschenck

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La Vista, NE.

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I've done this several times and I always have enough blade speed to finish the flip. I guess if you bang it over and bang it into an inverted hover before you notice it got quiet then you may kill enough of the headspeed to be in real trouble. I don't 'pop' it over like that so I get away with the quiet inverted flips. *I seem to do this one or twice every few months* - usually when I'm getting in a mental hurry and not thinking about 'flight checklists'.

The very low 'normal' headspeed trick does work. I suppose that a flat pitch curve above 6 deg. would work also but I like flying around in normal mode sometimes, just cruising with a 1300 rpm headspeed (Raptor 50) - gives little room for error though!

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06-09-2009 07:04 AM  9 years agoPost 40
myaces

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If you fly nitro, make your normal mode % just high enough to get the heli light on the skids but not fly.
+1, my normal mode is so low on the nitro heli's that I get a pretty good wobble cause the headspeed is so low.

I bet we have all done this at least once, it's the most annoying way to crash isn't it?

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