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06-07-2009 04:27 AM  9 years agoPost 41
baby uh1

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I'd like to toss this out to anyone who can answer logically. How do you "strengthen ties with" people who have unprovoked muderous hate for you? suicide?

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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06-07-2009 04:40 AM  9 years agoPost 42
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I'd like to toss this out to anyone who can answer logically. How do you "strengthen ties with" people who have unprovoked muderous hate for you? suicide?
Thats easy.

You put them in a position to destroy you as they desire.

ie; let them build nukes, or just give em to them.

Peace Through Superior Firepower!!!

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06-07-2009 04:45 AM  9 years agoPost 43
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So the answer is - suicide!

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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06-07-2009 04:56 AM  9 years agoPost 44
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^^^^Suicide is such a harsh word. How about if we just call it "change".

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06-07-2009 05:37 AM  9 years agoPost 45
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fwiw...

The only thing I'm gonna change when this all goes down is magazines....

BC

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06-07-2009 06:06 AM  9 years agoPost 46
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^^^^

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06-07-2009 08:36 AM  9 years agoPost 47
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...and so then where does it end. You just keep shooting "them" until "they" drop? That is a barbaric, selfish and universally detrimental to way of approaching it. The WORLD (everybody) has to be prepared to move through established hatreds and differences. You ask how you try to strengthen ties with these countries that contain foreign aggressors... You talk to them.

By talking to them, you are not giving any ground on your beliefs, or condoning in any way past or current indiscretions, but you are trying to better understand the nature and concerns of a people.

Murderous hate for us, hmmm?
- "Peace Through Superior Firepower!!!"
- "The only thing I'm gonna change when this all goes down is magazines..."

Do you honestly believe that the entire Islamic and Arab world want more war? Have you ever been to a predominantly Islamic nation and met these people?

The primary reason that the Allied Powers did try and encourage what the National Socialists were doing in the early 30's was because of the state of Germany post WWI, and the onset of the Great Depression. They turned Germany around, basically fixing the economy, removing unemployment and mass business failures that were all it's people could think about, because that it was they were living and dealing with at the time. Yet no one saw, or could believe that his heinous agenda would result in another war or the atrocities that he is now known for.

(1stplace) Sorry my German isn't that crash hot but, I think that our nations have learned from the past, and just because President Obama is talking to these leaders does not mean that he would ever fail to in a heartbeat defend your people and their way of life.

Diego - Unfortunately my only language is English, but I am trying to pick up Italian to little avail.

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06-07-2009 09:04 AM  9 years agoPost 48
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Fat Corgi
By talking to them, you are not giving any ground on your beliefs, or condoning in any way past or current indiscretions, but you are trying to better understand the nature and concerns of a people.
If you truly think that people that want to kill you and your children and destroy your country really want to listen to your side of the story, then you talk to then.

Speaking for myself, I would rather catch them suckers and kill them first. Its called survival and protection of the innocent.

Arafat was a terrorist. He was offered everything he asked for during the Clinton administration. Everything. Several times. He turned it all down. All of it. Then, he goes and tells his people that we, and the Israelis, were the evil ones. He did not want peace. He wanted war. Thats what they want. They choose to die killing you. Thats their nature. Whats yours?

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06-07-2009 10:37 AM  9 years agoPost 49
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If you are questioning my "nature", it is to avoid contest and conflict by all means necessary. I would more happily try and resolve these well-established rifts, but I fear myself not qualified enough. We as democratically represented people back our side of the argument by voting, selecting who we see as the best candidate to represent our views at both a local, state, national and sometimes international level.

"Catching and killing the suckers" will do nothing more constructive than creating more "suckers", and entombing ourselves with an even greater hatred and larger group of enemies.

You are judging a people by a small section of the community, and I can guarantee that the majority of the individuals that you say are threatening my life and that of my family, and that you are wanting to hunt down, are more interested in the mundane tasks of working and supporting their families, than donning a nice C4 waistcoat.

From the 3rd persons perspective, it is very hard not to judge a country by a single or small group of voices. This forum testifies that fact.

"Protection of the innocent" is not limited by borders, faith or race.

Bye for now, get a flight in today

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06-07-2009 01:15 PM  9 years agoPost 50
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If wild animals attack your home do you shoot them or do you feed your children to them? It sounds like you want to feed our children to them.
Oh, and you can talk all that you want but you better make sure that they have the ability to understand before you try. I'm sure that you will get on the news when they cut off your head.

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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06-07-2009 01:22 PM  9 years agoPost 51
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"Catching and killing the suckers" will do nothing more constructive than creating more "suckers", and entombing ourselves with an even greater hatred and larger group of enemies.
By that logic, the Nazi's or Japanese should have won WWII.
You are judging a people by a small section of the community, and I can guarantee that the majority of the individuals that you say are threatening my life and that of my family, and that you are wanting to hunt down, are more interested in the mundane tasks of working and supporting their families, than donning a nice C4 waistcoat.
You are misinformed. The enemies we are after, are the extremists who will gladly kill you because you are not a muslim. We are not judging people by a small section of there community. We want peace, not war. Unfortunately, the enemy declared war on us. We were forced to fight them. You know who got caught in the middle? A whole bunch of innocent people, including 3000+ Americans. You can't blame that on us, we didn't start it. We intend to finish it though.

Diejenigen, die nicht lernen aus den Fehlern der Vergangenheit bestimmt sind, zu wiederholen.

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06-07-2009 01:48 PM  9 years agoPost 52
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Dennis 1stplace some people have no clue as to what is really going down and your wasting your time trying to inform them. Some people are just blinded to the real causes and insights of what your both trying to say.

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06-07-2009 02:41 PM  9 years agoPost 53
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Do you honestly believe that the entire Islamic and Arab world want more war?
The Quran says that non-believers will convert or die.
Have you ever been to a predominantly Islamic nation and met these people?
Yes, I have.
and I can guarantee that the majority of the individuals that you say are threatening my life and that of my family, and that you are wanting to hunt down, are more interested in the mundane tasks of working and supporting their families, than donning a nice C4 waistcoat.
That majority is strangely silent when the minority strikes and kills, huh??

Stupidity can be cured. Ignorance is for life!

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06-07-2009 03:10 PM  9 years agoPost 54
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Have you ever been to a predominantly Islamic nation and met these people?
Yes I did for several years. Had many muslim friends. Even back then many years ago a few of my muslim 'friends' were hateful and wanted the infidels destroyed. I asked one 'Why are you being my friend when you want to destroy us ?', his reply was something to the effect 'use your enemies freedoms to destroy him !'.

Paul

EDIT: When 911 occurred, I remember muslims were out in the streets dancing and celebrating. Didn't endear me to them very much !

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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06-07-2009 06:42 PM  9 years agoPost 55
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Back on track
Ok guys, before we get anymore off-topic, and after I've fed my children to wild animals and what not, I'd like to return to the forums original line of discussion, Obama's speech to the Muslim world.
By making this speech to that audience, Obama was able to get a message to a much larger contingent of listeners. In some countries, hearing a foreign first hand dialogue like that is unheard of. But the speech was broadcast across channels of communication that are usually corrupted with the intention of altering the message to suit another party. The speech was beamed into households and meeting points all over the world, and much of what was said (although we may have heard it before) has never been discussed or disclosed unaltered to some people.
So when he was reaffirming the US's stance on the Israel-Palestine territory debate, or re-condemning Al Qaeda's role in the events of 11/9, a lot of people had never heard this before (from the leader of the "infidels" ) and it was contrary to what they are often told is the stance of the western world. But that is a whole other debate about the influence of the media and censorship.
It will be interesting to see the fall out of this speech, and how the many nations of the region, and indeed the world react to it.

1stpace-I am heartened by your discussion, and agree mostly with what you say. However, I would like to know what you perceive as "the war". When did it start, and why?

SSN Pru-The Qur'an does not ask it's believers to go forth and commit murder, or mass murder. In this situation we must look to the Imam's and others who take it upon themselves to "interpret" (the key word here) the teachings of Muhammed and the other figures of the various denominations of Islam, to better suit their perverted ideology. These people have a lot to answer for, and I too would encourage the immediate disappearance.

The only way I think this massive issue may be approached, without dispatching more troops and a greater loss of life, is through education.

Here's hoping.

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06-07-2009 07:18 PM  9 years agoPost 56
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The only way I think this massive issue may be approached, without dispatching more troops and a greater loss of life, is through education.
BS!!! Only way to take care of the issue is to eradicate all them low life worthless pos so called humans. When you have aholes like them take family members away whom have done nothing to another human being in thier life and cut thier life short the only way to rectify it is to eradicate them.

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06-07-2009 07:31 PM  9 years agoPost 57
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1stpace-I am heartened by your discussion, and agree mostly with what you say. However, I would like to know what you perceive as "the war". When did it start, and why?
Tough question! Islams war with the west started about 120CE with the war against Spain. l believe the current problems with the U.S. began in the 1940's when we started opening their oil wells which brought the middle east riches that they could never have imagined. Certain families and tribes have hoarded that wealth creating a huge gap between the rich and the poor in the middle east.

Militant muslims seized that opportunity, and have brainwashed generations of poor uneducated kids to believe that the U.S. caused their situation. It was not the U.S. alone. It was the royal families and tribes, who hoarded the wealth and provided virtually no opportunity for the common people around them to better their lives.
The only way I think this massive issue may be approached, without dispatching more troops and a greater loss of life, is through education.
You are 100% correct. That is the only way to solve the problem long term. It is why our soldiers are building, and rebuilding schools and hospitals in Iraq. Without education, the middle east is doomed to stay in the 13th century.

Until that end can be accomplished, the war with militant Islam must continue. We must defend our way of life, and help those who cannot help themselves.

Diejenigen, die nicht lernen aus den Fehlern der Vergangenheit bestimmt sind, zu wiederholen.

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06-07-2009 07:33 PM  9 years agoPost 58
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A bit too militant for me, see ya.
Wow!

Mutt-I'm sorry for you mate.
1stplace- Good answer, I am encouraged by your reply, and completely agree with you in terms of what the US and her allies are trying to construct in places like Iraq and Afghanistan right now.

You guys have fun hey. Leave the rest to Obama, he's doing pretty good by himself.

P.S. A member of my family was one of the first Australians killed in Afghanistan during the fall of the Taliban. Despite this I do not feel the need to eradicate anyone. But then that's just me.

Peace out.
Stick to the Heli's.

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06-07-2009 07:57 PM  9 years agoPost 59
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The only way I think this massive issue may be approached, without dispatching more troops and a greater loss of life, is through education.
Right. Thats a good solution. Then why don't you tell the Muslims to share some of those multi billions from oil sales and educate their own people, take care of them, and guide them to peace instead of suicide bombs, suicide airliners, and being chicken sh*t enough to hide behind women and children?

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06-07-2009 09:07 PM  9 years agoPost 60
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Right. Thats a good solution. Then why don't you tell the Muslims to share some of those multi billions from oil sales and educate their own people, take care of them, and guide them to peace instead of suicide bombs, suicide airliners, and being chicken sh*t enough to hide behind women and children?
Because you and I both know that will never happen.
Thats ok fatcorgi feel sorry for someone else I do not want or need your pity. Maybe when the low life muslims kill a family member of yours in a vicious cowardly act like one of my family members were you may feel the same as me. Oh wait I forget your kind is to much of a coward to feel that way. dang tree hugging lib hippy types. Me I will laugh at the likes of you and the rest of the muslim loving fools.

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