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06-04-2009 04:04 AM  9 years agoPost 1
erict

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I have a friend...

He let an experienced pilot check out and test fly his helicopter. The Heli Crashed into the experienced pilots truck while the experienced pilot was flying it.

There may have been a radio/equipment failure, I dont know I wasnt there.

The experienced pilot is now looking for money from my friend to fix his truck.

At no point did my friend ask for money to fix the heli that the experienced pilot crashed and there was no discussion of what would happen in a crash.

So does my friend owe the experienced pilot for the damage to the truck?

Court is in session.

Eric

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06-04-2009 04:05 AM  9 years agoPost 2
nocontrol1

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No

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06-04-2009 04:14 AM  9 years agoPost 3
johnbs8

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So does my friend owe the experienced pilot for the damage to the truck?
Hell No!! i cant imagine that some dill hole would even ask for the money after doing the damage on his own will. WOW lol

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06-04-2009 04:15 AM  9 years agoPost 4
jimboflies

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NO...
When the "experienced pilot " spooled up the heli he took all responsibility in his hands..

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06-04-2009 04:16 AM  9 years agoPost 5
operator

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verdict
if they were at an ama sactioned field the ama insurance should cover the damage. if not, than the "experienced pilot" should not only feel like an ass, but should swallow his pride and take the hit and pay to fix or replace the heli. doesn't sound much like an experienced pilot to me but like you said mechanical failure is gonna happen sooner or later.

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06-04-2009 04:16 AM  9 years agoPost 6
greenboot

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Marblehead, OH

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Somebody call Judge Judy!

The helis owner can't be held negligent cause he did nothing to cause this accident. Neither could he have foreseen such a situation.

The experienced guys comprehensive insurance should cover it. Of course there is still the deductible. Sometimes stuff just happens.

Tom

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06-04-2009 04:17 AM  9 years agoPost 7
classic

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That "experianced" pilot isn't Manny lou by chance is it??

If he was flying it, he is responsable for it. He is probably acting that way so yur freind doesn't try to get him to pay for the heli he crashed!

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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06-04-2009 04:20 AM  9 years agoPost 8
dkshema

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Don't think so. Accidents happen. The "experienced" pilot may be experienced at flying, but he's not experienced at life.

It's a sad sign of the times we live in. Very few people these days are willing to accept the consequences of their actions -- it's always someone else's fault, or someone else has to pay.

I would expect the "experienced" pilot to file a claim with his insurance company against his comprehensive coverage, pay the deductible, and move on with life.

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06-04-2009 04:23 AM  9 years agoPost 9
Mike Fortin

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AMA will cover you no matter where you are flying, so thats not an issue.

If the heli had a mechanical issue or an electronic issue than nor the operator or pilot are culpable.

If someone was "hot dogging" and lost it, then yes they are responsible for the damage.

Also, I would suggest parking further away.

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06-04-2009 04:34 AM  9 years agoPost 10
Tyler

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Only the two involved will know what is right
Our local rule of thumb is this:

If you ask me to fly your heli, the owner holds all financial responsibility. If you don't trust me, don't ask me to fly your toy. If you question your building and set up, don't blame me for your mistakes, especially if they show up while I am "HELPING".

If I ask to fly your toy, I hold all financial responsibility. If I don't know you and trust you as a builder/pilot, I shouldn't play with your heli.

If I cannot afford to write you a check now and there to replace your toy, I shouldn't ask to fly it for a joy ride.

If I agree to help you, I will do my best to prevent a crash, but hey, I am human, too. If you need my help, you are in no position to complain if I am human with your toy. If you want to be upset if your toy crashes when I am doing my best to help you out, then crash your own toy and leave me out of it. I have my own helis to crash, um, I mean fly.

If you pay me to build, test, and tweak your heli, then I assume all financial responsibility until I hand the product over to you and finalize our transaction. Then it is your baby when you accept delivery.

Having said that, this is a tough, tough call!!

The bottom line is this, can the damage to a vehicle be allowed to come between myself and a friend? I would hope not!!

If I cannot afford to fix any repairs of any sort as a consequence of my toy crashing, I should not be playing with the toy. If I cannot afford the insurance premiums before and after making a claim, I should not be playing with these toys.

Tyler

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06-04-2009 04:34 AM  9 years agoPost 11
David Blain

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I'll go with Mike Fortin on this one...

How close was the vehicle parked that this experienced pilot smashed into his own truck?

Remember! If your flying someone else's helicopter never fly it into your own vehicle!
If something goes wrong, fly it into his vehicle!

David Blain
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06-04-2009 04:44 AM  9 years agoPost 12
sharam

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My rule is that if I take the sticks, it is my responsibility. Before I take the sticks, I make sure that I examine the heli and do a quick check; next I make sure that I hover/fly it away from people, cars, pets, etc.

Edit: Sorry but to be clear, the truck damage is the experienced guys problem. The heli damage is the heli owner's problem.

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06-04-2009 04:49 AM  9 years agoPost 13
max232

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This is not a hard call to make.what could the newbe have done to prevent the accident? he is not responible for it, besides what was the experienced guy doing flying near the vehicles anyway? Thats like trying to make a kid pay for your window because he hit a foul ball, when you just parked to close to the field.

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06-04-2009 04:51 AM  9 years agoPost 14
Quandumphone

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Experienced pilot pays for fixing his own vehicle and heli owner pays for fixing his helicopter. Experienced pilot is out of line asking for money to repair the vehicle he crashed into. It's also questionable how the hell he was that close to people and property on a test flight.

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06-04-2009 04:54 AM  9 years agoPost 15
JAGNZ

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No.


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06-04-2009 05:01 AM  9 years agoPost 16
gian

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No.
Agreed

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06-04-2009 05:06 AM  9 years agoPost 17
dkshema

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Man, someone take a snapshot of this thread, then close it. This has to be an RR first. All replies AGREE!

BTW -- AMA coverage applies NO MATTER WHERE YOU FLY, AS LONG AS YOU FLY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PUBLISHED SAFETY CODE.
Commercial General Liability Coverage
(Effective March 31, 2009)

• AMA Liability Protection applies to bodily injury or property damage caused by an AMA member. Any AMA member who causes an accident resulting in an injury must report that accident immediately to AMA HQ.

Applies to accidents arising from the modeling activities of model aircraft, rockets, cars and boats, in accordance with the AMA National Safety Code(s).

• The per occurrence limit of coverage available by this policy is $2,500,000 involving bodily injury and/or property damage. These limits are for claims occurring during the policy period. Coverage is provided only for accidents arising from the model activities.

• Failure to comply with the AMA Safety Code may endanger insurance coverage.

• A separate policy covers participation in FAI events outside of the United States and Canada. This policy has a $1,000,000 limit.

• There is no coverage for injury to a member to his own family (household and relative(s) living in the member’s household) for claims or suits.

• The policy does NOT cover business pursuits; that is any activity that generates income for a member beyond reimbursement of expenses, except this business pursuit exclusion does not apply to individual members providing modeling instructions for pay to AMA members.

• AMA insurance is “excess” to any other applicable coverage, such as homeowner’s.

• Has a $250 deductible (property damage only), which is the responsibility of the AMA member causing the accident.
The bit in RED is important. SECONDARY INSURANCE. If the fellow has comprehensive insurance on his truck, he will have to file a claim with his own insurer FIRST. If his insurer denies his claim, then AMA insurance would kick in.

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06-04-2009 05:11 AM  9 years agoPost 18
what_the_helli

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Experienced pilot pays for fixing his own vehicle and heli owner pays for fixing his helicopter. Experienced pilot is out of line asking for money to repair the vehicle he crashed into.
bingo

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06-04-2009 05:15 AM  9 years agoPost 19
TaleGunner

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I am Laughing SOOOO HARD he hit his own truck and wants someone else to pay

I would say he didn't do a very good job of checking things out range checking or most likely flying (MY VOTE)
This is freaking funny and to top it off every one agrees that has to be a first.

Im thinking this has to be one of those Bill Engvall Heres Your Sign moment

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06-04-2009 05:16 AM  9 years agoPost 20
max232

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Man, someone take a snapshot of this thread, then close it. This has to be an RR first. All replies AGREE!
Thats because the lawyers on here havent found this thread.....lol...jk

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