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06-04-2009 02:19 PM  9 years agoPost 21
rilopez825

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that's my idea. less flipping switches more flying. have only too flight modes. normal to spool up and idle 1/2 full power.

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06-04-2009 03:17 PM  9 years agoPost 22
Skarn

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Pasadena, MD

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No dual rates here either.

Dilbeck: You stated that more than not use dual rates....I'd have to disagree....even in this thread alone more DON'T use dual rates...and everyone I've ever met flying does not use dual rates.

You also stated that most pro's use dual rates....where did you get that from? (Not arguing...just asking).

Skarn

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06-04-2009 05:49 PM  9 years agoPost 23
hornet dave

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i proudly use dual rates. heck, i use triple ratews on the rudder.

I got a fever! The only prescription is MORE 6HV

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06-04-2009 08:48 PM  9 years agoPost 24
jakeg1999

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Well, I started experimenting a bit with them in my backyard with some slow flight and spot landings with my Rave. I have my Rave set to max throws, but I changed normal mode which I run at 75% throttle, to 50% dual rate. I tried expo, but to me the dual rate is much more linear as there is no change in throw as the stick moves. I definately notice a difference of smoothness, I am much more smooth with the dual rate on slow steady technical flying versus the more agile setup. Although I am running a slightly lower headspeed which also mellows it out. The funny thing is, is that I just tried the same thing with my 250, and I hated it. I went right back to the more agile setup where I felt I had more stability. It looks like I will continue to do a little more flying with the dual rates on my Rave, and maybe experiement with them on my 2 700's also...

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06-04-2009 09:24 PM  9 years agoPost 25
jackheli

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Only on rudder, to cheat on piro-flips- so the stick can go all the way and have the right piro rate...

It's easy to find an excuse to do wrong. Hard is not to find an excuse to do right.

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06-04-2009 09:31 PM  9 years agoPost 26
Sam2b

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Dual rates may be useful for those moments hovering very still. Or maybe the dual rates are programmed into a flight mode mix where everything changes all at once. I'm pretty sure FAI guys do this. One group of settings for precision hovering, and another for fast forward flight, etc.

_Sam B_

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06-04-2009 09:34 PM  9 years agoPost 27
jakeg1999

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That's exactly what I am trying out

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06-05-2009 02:49 AM  9 years agoPost 28
hornet dave

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Cedar Rapids, IA USA

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just to complicate things-

rudder triple rates:
slow = piro tic-tocs, piro hurricanes, piro loops
medium = piro-flips and normal flying
fast = just to show off a fast piro rate

cyclic rates:
fast = normal 3D stuff
slow = rolling circles and big/fast flying

I got a fever! The only prescription is MORE 6HV

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06-06-2009 04:01 AM  9 years agoPost 29
Eagle2bravo

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No d/r here. Little expo.

T-rex 600n super pro , Trex 450 se, Gaui 200, Trex 500, Blade cx, . "If ya plant corn, ya get c

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06-06-2009 04:12 AM  9 years agoPost 30
GyroFreak

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Don't even know what dual rate is, just use expo.

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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06-06-2009 04:22 AM  9 years agoPost 31
rudyy

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I use dual rate only on my helis with the mechanical mix head.

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06-06-2009 05:18 AM  9 years agoPost 32
GimbalFan (RIP)

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I use dual rate only on my helis with the mechanical mix head.
Why only on mechanical mix helis?

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06-06-2009 07:04 PM  9 years agoPost 33
rudyy

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In 120 CCPM, you can use the swash mix to limit/adjust the aileron and elevator swash movements. In mechanical mix, however, there is no swash mix, and so it has to rely on the DR rate to limit/adjust the aileron and elevator servo movements.

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06-06-2009 07:15 PM  9 years agoPost 34
Dood

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In 120 CCPM, you can use the swash mix to limit/adjust the aileron and elevator swash movements. In mechanical mix, however, there is no swash mix, and so it has to rely on the DR rate to limit/adjust the aileron and elevator servo movements.
Maybe you don't understand the DUAL in "Dual Rates"
Play with your AFR's or Swash Mix all you want, but it's just a single rate, not switchable between flight modes or with a rate switch.

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06-06-2009 08:26 PM  9 years agoPost 35
rudyy

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That is why I say I use DR rate only in mechanical mix heli just for this purpose. I do not use DR rate for its original intended usage.

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06-06-2009 08:28 PM  9 years agoPost 36
Dood

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I do not use DR rate for its original intended usage.
You don't use Travel Adjust for it's intended purpose, either.

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06-06-2009 08:32 PM  9 years agoPost 37
rudyy

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ATV is always at default 100% for all my helis except for swash levelling 120ccpm in which case there will be +/- 5% adjustment.

So formally speaking, I do not use DR rate.

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