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06-03-2009 03:33 PM  9 years agoPost 1
phlat

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Hey all,

Its been a while since I've been on here and I'm getting the itch again to start flying ... toddlers are not conducive to flying in the house and out side with the CP is a bit touchy with weather ...

So I'm considering a T-REX or equivalent. I know that the 450 is one of the more popular birds out there and has a long and distinguished record. The 500 has had some rave reviews and has been stated as a much more stable platform than the 450 in the air.

Here's the thing ... should I look for an NIB 450 (I'd like to go through the process of setup and config from the ground up) but I know there was a slew of model variants (SE, SEV2, etc). Seems the same with the 500 having CF & GF variants (Carbon or Glass Fiber blades) and then thrown on like ESP or other TLAs and I'm lost.

Thanks for any help on this. I'd prefer to converse by email if possible (PM me and we'll exchange addresses) and then compile questions/answers and repost.

Unless someone has already done that in which case give me a nudge in the right direction and I'd greatly appreciate it.

--Dave

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06-03-2009 06:03 PM  9 years agoPost 2
jason46

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The main decision factor for me on dedciding between a 450 and 500 was cost. Blades and batteries cost quite a bit more for the 500, parts are probably also a bit more. I bought a Furion, which I'm real happy with, but if I had to do it over again I think I would of gone for a 500 and choked out the cash for the more expensive batteries.

In a 450 the V3/pro is the best deal, costs less than a V2 new and it is better(atleast thats what I hear and would like to think). If you know somebody that has a nice V2 for cheap, can't go wrong with that either.

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06-03-2009 08:42 PM  9 years agoPost 3
JASON671

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check out the next-d rave 450!

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06-04-2009 12:43 AM  9 years agoPost 4
FlaG8r

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The main decision factor for me on dedciding between a 450 and 500 was cost. Blades and batteries cost quite a bit more for the 500, parts are probably also a bit more.
This has been debated on here for so long...fact of the matter is that yes, lipos are more expensive the larger they are obviously, but parts are most of the time cheaper for the larger helis.

On top of this, I would think long term...if you think you'll be in this hobby for a while, start with something large. You can always go down from there. I, like most, started with some crappy RTF, then other crappy ARFs, etc...wasted a lot of money on helis that can't fly well.

Get a 500 at the minimum. I would suggest an inexpensive kit in the 600 size range. It will be much easier to fly and as you advance you'll really like what it can do.

Life is tough, it's tougher if you're stupid

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06-04-2009 11:42 AM  9 years agoPost 5
MMarshall

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The question also has to be asked where do you intend to fly?

If you are like me I do alot of hovering and a little FF in my yard and take my 3D flights down to the local school yard.

With both these flying sites a 500+ size is simply too large and dangerous to fly in public.

I started with 30 size Nitro birds years ago and yes a 450 is a bit more twitchy but calmed down with flybar weights and expo then can be very smooth, I have 2 450's one for scale flying with an Align 109 body on it and one for 3D.

Good luck,

Mike

Gravity is a harsh mistress

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06-04-2009 04:18 PM  9 years agoPost 6
jason46

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That is a good point, I often fly in a driveway/yard that is crowded with Oaks forming a canopy. There are lots of trees in Northern MI. Over the winter I was flying in a large pole barn that deffinitly would of been tight for a 500.

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06-05-2009 01:16 AM  9 years agoPost 7
McKrackin

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If you are like me I do alot of hovering and a little FF in my yard and take my 3D flights down to the local school yard.

With both these flying sites a 500+ size is simply too large and dangerous to fly in public.
I disagree.I fly my Trex 500ESP in my yard.Flips,rolls and anything else that pops in my head.The yard is full of trees and volley ball standards.No problem.

Heck,I watch many guys fly some hard ass stick banging 3D inside a high school gymnasium with a 27 ft ceiling.

I think the 500's are the perfect size heli.

This is me just putt putting around the yard....

Watch at YouTube

I added a little tune for the boring flying

I literally never use the word literally right.

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06-05-2009 01:21 PM  9 years agoPost 8
Skarn

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I fly my 500 and even my Raptor 50 at my local middle school. It is usually void of people and I have a spotter.

Skarn

It's better to burn out than to fade away...

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06-05-2009 02:48 PM  9 years agoPost 9
ExtremeAerosports

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Fishers, IN

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Dave,

I have an HDX 500 SAH that is RTF for sale in the electric classifieds. Check it out, and let me know if you are interested.

Jon

Jonathan Ott
Fishers, IN
TRex 700E DFC
Chaos 600
Lynx Heli Innovations Team Pilot

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06-06-2009 12:26 AM  9 years agoPost 10
MMarshall

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I am not saying you cant fly a 500 in a tight space, I am not worried about the heli getting damaged. I am worried about people getting damaged from the Heli.

My yard is much smaller and I have to contend with Dog Walkers and passing cars (I land when I see them coming) thats why the 450 and not the 500.

Years ago I flew my 30 Nitro Nexus at school yards but it tended to bring too much attention from kids, dogs, people asking questions ect.. I dont have a spotter so smaller is safer for me.

Keep in mind a 450 is dangerous enough to cause severe injury a 500 could possibly cause death.

Mike

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06-06-2009 12:35 AM  9 years agoPost 11
McKrackin

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Keep in mind a 450 is dangerous enough to cause severe injury a 500 could possibly cause death.
I have to agree with you there.
I live in the country and if I hit someone in my yard they were probably trespassing anyway

I literally never use the word literally right.

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06-06-2009 12:39 PM  9 years agoPost 12
phlat

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Thanks for all the input. I really appreciate it!

So right now the biggest concerns that I should have are the following:
1) Cost - LiPos for the 500+ size birds are expensive. Blades too.
2) Intended flying - Right now, my hovering is very rusty and FF is
out of the question as I'm so out of practice. As my initial
learning has been on a Blade CP in a confined space for the mostpart
... you get the idea. Ultimately I'd like to be able to get to FF.
3) Flying space - General consensus seems to be that 450's are a
little more geared toward confined spaces while the 500's require a
tad more breathing room. I have 1/2 acre (most of which is my back
yard) and a number of wide parking lots near by (I know ... pavement
and blades are not good friends).

Again thanks for the input. Now some counter questions with regard
to the above concerns.

Lipos ... I saw that Zippy (?) has their FlightMax packs selling at roughly 1/3 the price of other packs. First inclination is that there
is no way that could be right. Of course opinions vary but yes they're
1/3 the price and they seem to be on par with quality of the other boys.

Blades ... GF vs CF. Being a motorcycle geek as well, I know a bunch about carbon fiber (or fibre) ... bits on helmets, boots, gloves, back protectors, leathers, etc etc etc ... you get the idea. CF is a wonderful compound. Now from what I can see, the T-Rex 500 class has options for GF (basically fiber glass?) or CF (Carbon Fiber). I have not looked into the price on these yet but would be interested to hear what people think on the benefits either way considering my aforementioned flight skills.

Now to one of the above who mentioned getting a used V2. I think I have a friend local who has a V2 & and SE ... He's not flying either right now. I may check in with him and see what he'd take for it.

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06-07-2009 06:12 AM  9 years agoPost 13
7kcabfun

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CP to TREX 600
I went from the CP to a TREX 600 NP. I also started in a confined area. Then I almost wiped out an 1800 dollar projector and had to move it outside or get fired from job. Bigger is better. I learned to hover the CP. After that I found the TREX really nice to fly. Easier to hover with and it'll tell the wind gods to F*** off. I also picked up a Blade 400 this week and it is actually really nice. Hover is stable, familiar parts when compared to other e-flight machines. I can't say about the TREX 450 and 500 though as i haven't flown them yet. But from what I have seen if your budget(read wife) says yes go big. A buddy I fly with has had his 400 out in 12-15 mph of wind. I flies OK, but not really great.

Just my $.02

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06-08-2009 01:36 AM  9 years agoPost 14
phlat

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7kcabfun CP to TREX 600

I went from the CP to a TREX 600 NP. I also started in a confined area. Then I almost wiped out an 1800 dollar projector and had to move it outside or get fired from job. Bigger is better. I learned to hover the CP. After that I found the TREX really nice to fly. Easier to hover with and it'll tell the wind gods to F*** off. I also picked up a Blade 400 this week and it is actually really nice. Hover is stable, familiar parts when compared to other e-flight machines. I can't say about the TREX 450 and 500 though as i haven't flown them yet. But from what I have seen if your budget(read wife) says yes go big. A buddy I fly with has had his 400 out in 12-15 mph of wind. I flies OK, but not really great.

Just my $.02
Fully understand on the budget limiting factors not to mention the confined space issues and high dollar items.

Thanks for the advice ... especially love the telling of the wind gods :-)

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06-14-2009 04:38 PM  9 years agoPost 15
hawkkw

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Salem, Va

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If you're accustomed to flying a BCP (pico type) with
any skill, I say you can fly anything you want. The
skills you develope flying a smaller heli are more
acute than with a larger bird because they don't swing
as much blade mass. The yaw, pitch, and roll rates are
faster and you literally fly by the seat of your pants.
That's a thrill in itself.

If money is an issue, and usually is, I would pick up
a used 450SE (V1 or V2) used in good working condition.
They're as durable as the BCP if not more so and dependable
as crap. It will seem like a Cadillac when compared to
your BCP.

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06-14-2009 07:52 PM  9 years agoPost 16
phlat

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hawkkw
Thanks for the post. I appreciate all the input and it is great food for thought!

Thanks all!

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