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06-01-2009 09:34 PM  9 years agoPost 1
jbdww

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Round Rock, Texas

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Hello,
Lately I have been considering getting a Logo. I have a friend that may sale me his 500, but I was also considering the 600. If you take a 500 and stretch it to use 600MM blades, does this make it close to the same size as the 600, and what kind of configuration would you use for the stretched logo? Also I was wondering what the pros and cons of the 500 vs the 600.

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Joe

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06-01-2009 09:48 PM  9 years agoPost 2
Jag72

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500 vs 600
500 spins 550's and runs on 6s lipos...

600 runs 600-620's and runs 10-12s lipo....

Either choice is fine...but it really depends on your preference and budget

I think most would agree that 500 or 600 the following is most recommended:

Jazz/Jive esc
Vbar
Scorpion or Xera motor
Good Lipos(outrage, Hyperion, TP 30c etc..)
Good servos(bls 451..8717's)
bls251 tail servo
I prefer gohbee blades for Vbar

If you get a logo you will quickly see why everyone loves them so much

BTW...if you stretch a logo 500 to run 600mm blades you'll still want to run 10s...so at that point you basically have a logo 600 ...if you go with the fat boom 25mm and logo 600 canopy ...you will pretty much have a logo 600 ...the only other thing that sperates them is the logo 600 has larger grips on the head...

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06-01-2009 09:56 PM  9 years agoPost 3
LJS

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Minnesota, USA

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Hi Joe,

I have a Logo 500 VBar and a Logo 600 VBar. Jag is right in that they are both great helis. They fly perfectly and look beautiful in the air.

The difference between the two for me is that my 10S 600 has unbelievable vertical performance whereas the 6S Logo 500 is just a great performer. I guess the 600 has a more impressive presence (better for pleasing crowds) while the 500 is a bit more agile (a bit more fun to fly).

You can't go wrong with either.

Here are a couple threads on my Logos with quite a bit of flight data:

http://www.runryder.com/t515573p1/

http://www.runryder.com/t511255p1/

Keep 'em flying.
LJS

Logo 600 VBar, 10S
TRex 600E VBar, 8S
Logo 500 VBar, 6S
TRex 600ESP, 6S

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06-01-2009 10:16 PM  9 years agoPost 4
jbdww

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Round Rock, Texas

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I have had every single Align product and a couple of months ago I got a Rave and have realized what a difference it is to fly a good quality machine.

I have an extra VBar sitting here ready to be put into a logo. Just need to decide on which logo to get.

The only reason I am thinking of the 500 is because a friend may sale it to me and if he does I would probably make it fly 600MM blades.

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Joe

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06-01-2009 10:44 PM  9 years agoPost 5
LJS

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Hi Joe,

If you're going to swing 600s you're probably better off with an 8S power system like the one in my TRex 600 (Jazz 55 and X-Era 4025-830). That would be an awesome performer. You can get a good deal on 8S sticks from Century RC:

http://century-rc.com/ecs/product_s...203&kind_id=661

Keep 'em flying.
LJS

Logo 600 VBar, 10S
TRex 600E VBar, 8S
Logo 500 VBar, 6S
TRex 600ESP, 6S

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06-01-2009 11:05 PM  9 years agoPost 6
KC

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WA

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the mikado 580mm blade is narrow enough to work well on LV...I have run them on weak 8s packs and they were strong performers...now putting them on 10s

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06-02-2009 12:19 AM  9 years agoPost 7
JSTAGE

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Visalia, CA

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LOGO 600 on 8s
I just got into the LOGO family came from align and I'm very happy. I took the 8s power system out of the trex 600 esp, man it is a power house I don't see any need for 10s for now anyways.
Jeff

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06-02-2009 01:26 AM  9 years agoPost 8
Ronald Thomas

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Gainesville, Fl, USA

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I don't see any need for 10s for now anyways.
Until you fly a 10s setup I have a 10s Logo 600 VBAR. Unbelievable performing machine and it will always put a smile on your face .........Ron

Team MikadoUSA 480XXTreme, 550SX, 600SX, 700XXTreme, 800XXTreme!!

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06-02-2009 06:36 AM  9 years agoPost 9
JSTAGE

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Visalia, CA

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8s
for the cost of 8s packs vs 10s packs I'm very happy with the 8s I dont need any more for now.
Jeff

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06-02-2009 12:39 PM  9 years agoPost 10
Ronald Thomas

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Gainesville, Fl, USA

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The average price difference is ~$70 not a lot IMO but the difference in performance is

Team MikadoUSA 480XXTreme, 550SX, 600SX, 700XXTreme, 800XXTreme!!

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06-02-2009 04:21 PM  9 years agoPost 11
NTM

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Lloydminster, Alberta, Canada

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I've had a 500 v-bar, 600 v-bar and a 700 v-bar.

I prefer the 500 for a couple of reasons:
-it's more agile and better suited to tight, hard, flirting with the ground 3d, yet has that "big heli" smoothness too.
-packs are cheap, $110 for a 6s 30c 5000mah zippy pack that's performs identical or better than a 25c outrage of the same size.
You can have a large stock of packs for the cost of just a few 10s packs.
-it's a bit more compact and thus easier to transport.
-it's far from being underpowered, I'm seeing 3000 watt peaks going into mine on 550mm blades.

Regards,
Nathan

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06-02-2009 04:47 PM  9 years agoPost 12
Furyous

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Detroit, Michigan

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I prefer the 500 for a couple of reasons:
-it's more agile and better suited to tight, hard, flirting with the ground 3d, yet has that "big heli" smoothness too.
-packs are cheap, $110 for a 6s 30c 5000mah zippy pack that's performs identical or better than a 25c outrage of the same size.
You can have a large stock of packs for the cost of just a few 10s packs.
-it's a bit more compact and thus easier to transport.
-it's far from being underpowered, I'm seeing 3000 watt peaks going into mine on 550mm blades.
I totally agree, except I use Flightpower packs. The less expensive packs seem to be inferior in construction quality, like solder joints. Check one out the next time someone destroys one.

Anyway the 500 is perfect in size and performance. My 600 sits on the shelf, getting ready to be downsized to a 500.

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06-02-2009 06:03 PM  9 years agoPost 13
NTM

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Lloydminster, Alberta, Canada

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My old packs were flightpower 25c.
The 30c zipppy's hold voltage under load better by a large margin.
Inferior construction or not, they perform way better in flight than the 25c flightpowers.

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06-02-2009 06:23 PM  9 years agoPost 14
ivor-bigen

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Harlow. UK

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I love my 500vbar on 8s its got very good performance.
The 500 is a sweet heli its not to big not to small.
LJS i think has hit the nail on the head,, (better for pleasing crowds).
I use my 500, as my every day heli, try new moves ect with it.
Its like my little work horse
Its cheaper to repair, people argue theres not much in it but replaceing main blades soon bumps your bill up, so only running a 550mm its a bit of a saveing.
as allready said pacs are cheaper.
even on 8s the pacs are still quite a saveing rather than 10s
I personaly wouldnt run a 600 on less than 10S.

Try it as a 500 with a strong setup in it, you will be quite surprised how well it can perform.
You could allways drop 600 boom and blades on it at a later date unless the bug bites and you go and buy a 600

my 8s is running 550mm

Mikado

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06-02-2009 08:09 PM  9 years agoPost 15
KC

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WA

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as said...try the 500 as it is...it is very good.

One thing to note is that the trex 600 is the only "50" / 600 size electric marketed as 6s (and the compass...so what)....most trex 600 owners aren't boasting more than a hundred cycles on a 6s pack though

....you want a big electric, performance, pack life, and save $$??.... here's your options, theres really only 2...

A) don't stretch the 500, leave it as it is, which is very capable (it can do piroflip autos....no glow 30 can touch it in auto)

B) go to HV and run a 600 and sell the 6s stuff to someone with a 500
(the 600 logo is about 10% 'more machine' than the 500...mostly in non-3d maneuvers...its still not a 90 for 3d or comp flying)

Down South with hotter summers and longer flying seasons, you should be running HV with 600mm+ 7lb+ helis unless your flying style is to actually fly the heli rather than beat on it....smooth guys who don't ask for power will be fine...3d guys will run to 8s and then be kicking themselves for not going to 10s after 50-100 pack cycles.

put it to you this way, I wish I went 12s, but not yet because I still have lots of $$ in 10s, so I am slowly shrinking my helis down at the rotor as the packs wear down...i.e using 580mm blades over 600mm blades (more stable now too)

fwiw I have thermalled a 10s 600 up here in the summer......pulling over 4hp and doing things that were insanely retarded...was fun but I fly to let go of stress not to add stress so I want my stuff to work without BS...regeared it and now it will fly on either side of the mountains (it gets over 110F on the other side) any time of year without heat probs.

8s is ok, only thing I don't like about 8s and Logos is that the gearing/motor options are limited...personally I would go 6s and 550-560mm under 6.5lbs or 10s and 600-620mm over 7.5lbs. I have done both blade sizes on 8s (smaller was better).

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06-02-2009 09:03 PM  9 years agoPost 16
Terrabit

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Seattle, WA - USA

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My Zippy 6s 5000mah Logo 500 was pretty much smokin right up to the point when I crashed it into a parked car. (Doh! Remember that KC?) But my 600 vbar has a lot more power. I'm waiting on a delivery from RH right now so I can gear it down.

On Casey's advice I'm going to lower the headspeed and work on collective management. My skill level doesn't require all that power anyway. It's fun but it comes at a cost.

I prefer the 600 over the 500. But truth be known the Logo 10 with stock 500mm Mikado cf blades was my favorite heli. Not really sure why.

Oh well, it's all good.

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06-02-2009 09:16 PM  9 years agoPost 17
LJS

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Minnesota, USA

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Hi All,

I agree with Terrabit. It's all good. I have a blast with each of my helis whether 6S, 8S, or 10S.

That said, the temp of each system is inversely proportional to the number of cells. In other words, my 10S is coolest, my 8S is cool, and my 6S runs warm. And we haven't hit the 90F weather here yet.

If I lived in Texas, I think I'd be looking at a HV system. My ESC, motor, and batteries all stay cool on my Logo 600. And there is a lot to be said for 7 minute flights with nearly unlimited power.

Keep 'em flying.
LJS

Logo 600 VBar, 10S
TRex 600E VBar, 8S
Logo 500 VBar, 6S
TRex 600ESP, 6S

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06-02-2009 09:19 PM  9 years agoPost 18
KC

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WA

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still got the pictures homey.

your 500 was hot as my 600 but your 600 is the only heli I have backed down on a speed run before ..that thing is a monster!

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06-02-2009 09:21 PM  9 years agoPost 19
Jag72

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South of Boston

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Collective management...
As your Collective Skills improve you quickly realize that while having a TON of power is cool...you really don't need most of it...you can fly anything you want with very little power...

I have fun with any of the machines I fly ...and in fact I prefer my slower machines on most occasions because they are easier to handle

I rarely fly the monsters because they tend to take up more field than I can spare

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06-02-2009 09:22 PM  9 years agoPost 20
jbdww

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Round Rock, Texas

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I am leaning towards the 600 right now as we have room in Texas to fly and I have a Rave that takes care of the agility and small places.

LJS what ESC are you using. I am considering the 10S setup. I have a 12S charger, but I am not going to run blades bigger than 620, so I was thinking of 10S.

Thanks
Joe

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