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06-02-2009 10:39 PM  9 years agoPost 21
Avropilot

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As opposed to a squirley little 450. The 50 is the best beginner heli out there.

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06-02-2009 10:42 PM  9 years agoPost 22
RCHSF

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NC

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A sim first, then a 450 size heli easy to learn on, if they cant fly a 450, they cant learn on anything.
It was plenty stable for me.
Setup right no problem to handle.

Just my 2cents

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06-02-2009 11:35 PM  9 years agoPost 23
TJinGuy

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Socorro, NM - USA

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Like we are discovering there are many ways to start, many paths to take. Before you can suggest a path you must first know more about the new pilot. How much money does he want to spend? Is there a club nearby? Or does he even want to fly at a club? Does he have 5 acres out back to use for a big bird? Or does he live in a neighborhood and only have a small park to fly in? Is he mechanically inclined? Is there a hobby shop within 30 miles of where he lives?

All these questions will quickly determine whether what size and type of bird he would be best off starting with. Of course until you have these answer, you are just imposing your personal beliefs and opinions on someone you don't know from Adam.

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06-03-2009 07:50 PM  9 years agoPost 24
shawgl

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Murrieta, CA

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There is one thing nobody can argue with..... SIMULATOR FIRST!!!!!
Once he has got bored of hovering THEN get a sim.
You must be crazy, how many people that didn't put some time in on a simulator; went out and hovered their first heli without crashing it? My bet is not many.

I spent that two weeks on the sim, built my first raptor 30 (no help withing 50 miles) and took the training gear off the first day. All due to the simulator. I didn't have my first crash until my setup skills didn't match what I was trying to fly, and the altitude of course. Sim, sim, sim, sim, sim and more sim. Cant say it enough. Oh yea, did I mention sim? Best $110 you can spend in this hobby is on a sim (3.5) if your on a budget.

I own a SE V2 now and I will tell you that sure you can learn on a 450, but it's far from ideal to learn on. My course went like this,
1st heli Raptor 30
2nd JR Voyager 50
3d JR Vigor CS .91
4th MA Tempest FAI .91
5th MA Fury Extreme .91
6th MA Fury Extreme .91
7th Trex 450 SE V2

The 450 is ok, I would rather refer someone to a .30 before the drama issues with the 450. Not to mention the price of batteries. The visual presence and stability of a larger heli in my opinion outweighs the price. And if you are truly helping the guy out, check the classifieds. You can get a kick but .50 for less than a 450 setup costs new. Heck you can find a bind and fly .90 for $1000. You do the math, I'm going for the .50 every time. Not to mention nitro is just cooler than batteries.

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06-03-2009 08:39 PM  9 years agoPost 25
concept1

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Youngstown, OH

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I have to aggree with Tjinguy, first spend some time with your buddy and find out his expectations (help him here!!) time, budget, etc.. this is very important, over the years I have had many friends "try" this hobby and not one of them stuck to it! Heli's are NOT for everyone they are cool and those of use here do love them!! and Not everyone is a SIM guy, I for one have no intrest in the SIM, just can't sit infront of a computer and "play" and I learned the hard way back in 1988 89, I quit after a few years and got back in it in 2000. I do Highly recomend a SIM to anyone today, but I also Know not all people will take to them, those that do learn Much faster though!
I will have to recomend the 450, if he is your friend and you have a Mini titan then steer him that direction, that is a great heli to start with, and Most people will progress faster on a 450 then a 50 size, mostly because of the Pucker factor, it is hard to do $50 damage to a 450. and honeslty if it is squirly he will be a better flyer because he will be forced to learn control, a 50 or a 90 is great, but man my E620 is super easy to fly it just sits anyplace I put it. which is great but it almost flies it's self.the 450 class heli is so good for beginners because it does force you to be on your toes a bit, and it forces you to learn better control so when you move to the next heli you are much more ready for it! but moslty because you can practice with a 450 almost anyplace, all you need is 20 foot of space to start hovering! or 1/2 football field to really fly in.
Good luck

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06-03-2009 08:43 PM  9 years agoPost 26
bkervaski

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I don't agree with learning on a 450. A 600/50 size is the way to go, you can learn autos, which will save you a bunch of money and are one of the more fun maneuvers. A Sim (such as Phoenix) and a TREX600N is the perfect learning combo.

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06-03-2009 10:09 PM  9 years agoPost 27
Richardmid1

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Leeds, England

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Any nitro heli is not a beginners heli, it used to be because there was no alternatives! Electric is the way to go for a beginner.

A sim for the beginner only teaches them the very basics and they will still probably crash the real thing a few times anyway.

Here is my suggestion:

1. Sim and a small fixed pitch heli they can have a go at hovering in there living room (not contra-rotating).

2. A 450 or 500E

3. 50 nitro or 600E

60% of the time, it works every time!

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06-03-2009 10:52 PM  9 years agoPost 28
KC

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06-04-2009 12:34 AM  9 years agoPost 29
asm

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California

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Assuming if there isn't a nitro heli pilot to help out, I would have to agree with those advised against nitro for newbie. Nitro heli is requires much more maintance and far easier to bog then any electric heli for beginner.

With that said, if your friend don't have a lot money up front, I would say to go with 50 nitro. They are cheaper to up front, but more expensive in the long run.

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06-04-2009 01:29 AM  9 years agoPost 30
Yug

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Lots of interesting and conflicting points of view here.
I'll say that objectively speaking, nitro is the safest and most beneficial way to start. Something like a 30 or 50, and accompanied with a basic understanding of mathematics.

The latter statement relates primarily to gaining an understanding of the forces involved and the consequent appreciation for safety. Why do you think the BMFA rules strongly suggest hovering above eye level ? Safety and respect. Even a 450 is lethal but far less intimidating for the beginner simply because of it's lack of sound and presence but an electric can be far more a dangerous in inappropriate hands. A 30 engine screming its head off is a sobering experience when you're starting out and a 50 or 90 is even better, which somehow earns a high degree of inherrant respect

I see so many that fly in an unsafe environment; again, do the maths, consider the risks and contemplate if your actions are acceptible for others and yourselfes well being.

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06-04-2009 02:23 AM  9 years agoPost 31
ruddernate

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sulphur,Ok.

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i tend to agree with Yug. as for the size question, i started with a 450 trex. if i had it to do over again i would definately start with a .30 or .50 size. much easier to learn on in the beginning (flying wise). sim is a given, but i would argue that the .50 is cheaper learning to fly because of fewer crashes, for me anyways. the smaller helis are so much more zippy and let's face it, most get hooked no matter their first bird. if they start on a smaller one they're shortly looking for something bigger and better. once you step up then you've bought 2 helis when you could've learned on the bigger heli to start with. at this point it's not cheaper starting on a 450. my first .50 was a raptor .50v2 and parts are almost as cheap as rex 450 parts. i'm done rambling now. just my .02

fly it like you stole it

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06-04-2009 02:49 AM  9 years agoPost 32
bkervaski

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Birmingham, AL, USA

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lol, a nitro is no harder to maintain than trying to keep track of your batteries and chargers and speed controllers, etc.

I disagree with anyone that says a 450 is a beginners heli, how the heck do you learn to auto with a 450? You don't, because they can't, and auto rotations are a fundamental of flying r/c helicopters.

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06-04-2009 03:17 AM  9 years agoPost 33
ruddernate

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sulphur,Ok.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybuICrU4s0Q
i agree totally that 450's aren't the best learner heli but i wouldn't say you can't learn to auto with one.

fly it like you stole it

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06-04-2009 03:31 AM  9 years agoPost 34
helibro

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hamilton, ohio

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tell him to run as fast as he can,,,, its a bad adiction.

hey! were is the reset button!

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06-04-2009 03:52 AM  9 years agoPost 35
LanceMD500E

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Savannah, Georgia USA

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Have him take all the money out of his pockets and pile it on the ground. Then you set it on fire. It`ll prepare him for the future...

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06-04-2009 04:10 AM  9 years agoPost 36
max232

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Pensacola

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Have him take all the money out of his pockets and pile it on the ground. Then you set it on fire. It`ll prepare him for the future

this is true. my friends ask me why i spend so much on this hobby,they say are you going through a second childhood, and i say yes i am because the first one i was broke....lol

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06-04-2009 04:14 AM  9 years agoPost 37
ruddernate

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sulphur,Ok.

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i'm going to have to use that one.

fly it like you stole it

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06-04-2009 05:25 AM  9 years agoPost 38
asm

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California

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lol, a nitro is no harder to maintain than trying to keep track of your batteries and chargers and speed controllers, etc.
Not hard to maintain, just takes *a lot* more time. Oh, and don't let the expensive electric battery drive you away either. As it turns out, nitro carries big pipe that will run you about $90. Since it hangs out on the side, it is often damage in a crash. It will some time ripe part of engine crank case with it too. That will be another $50....

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06-04-2009 06:15 AM  9 years agoPost 39
Philicopter

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Saint Anne (Kankakee) ,IL

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You should be asking his wife what Heli to get. Not us. hehe. If it's her idea he might actually get to fly it. Once!!!

Phil

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06-04-2009 06:51 AM  9 years agoPost 40
awsomechoppers

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Pfafftown, NC

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I have a ARF stock mini titan e325. I use ace 1016 servos and a ace 0915 tail servo. And a ace tg6100m gyro and a ar6100e speatrum recever. I have only hoverd 6 times. It flys smooth and i think it is a awsome helicopter and i think you would like it.

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